Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Vault-Tec, 29 Sep 2020.
Yep, didn't realise it was only a pre-order. Might cancel.
Really dodgy practice.
I'm 589 in the queue, how big will OCUK's shipments be? 10, 20, 50, 100, 500, 1500?
3. Maybe 2.
Jesus, the 5600X is a beast.
Quite ! I must admit it has humbled me. What a cracker.
I don't need one - I'm very happy with the 3600, but it's nice to know I can drop something in there at a later date that will be a real upgrade. Chances are I'd probably grab an 8 or 12 core part at that time, but gaming performance plateaus around there anyway.
Yeah. Apparently the 5800x has been slated quite hard for being too expensive. I understand it (it's a fully working 8 core part) but yeah it's poor value compared to the 5900x and especially the (now) £380 3900x.
Sounds like a 65W 5700X is coming out after all when the 5800X3TDXRTDX3 or whatever drops.
Binning down due to yield issues?
Aye I guess, there's also a non-x 5600 and some 4000 series coming too by the sounds of it (APUs with disabled graphics maybe?)
New (retail) chips announced today:
Ryzen 3 4100 $99 Zen 2 4c/8t 3.8/4.0 6MB
Ryzen 5 4500 $129 Zen 2 6c/12t 3.6/4.1 11MB
Ryzen 5 4600G $154 Zen 2 6c/12t 3.7/4.2 11MB
Ryzen 5 5500 $159 Zen 3 6c/12t 3.6/4.2 19MB
Ryzen 5 5600 $199 Zen 3 6c/12t 3.5/4.4 35MB
Ryzen 7 5700X $299 Zen 3 8c/16t 3.4/4.6 36MB
That and the 5800X3D will come in at $450, launching next month.
Perhaps a bit disappointing? The 4100 isn't any better than the 3100 (and has far less than the 17MB combined cache of the 3100). The 5500 is a 5600G with the iGPU disabled and therefore no PCI-E 4.0 support.
With the 6500XT being available at close to MSRP, I'd hoped that AMD would not launch SKUs without PCI-E 4.0 support (it might be a terrible card regardless, but at least it's available - but on PCI-E 3.0 it's horrifically bad thanks to only supporting 4 lanes). It does make the cheaper options far less interesting to me.
I don't see much for anyone upgrading from Zen 2 who wouldn't have already jumped to the 5600X, especially with it now selling here in the US for $230 and still being behind or on par with Intel's 12400.
The 4500 does look interesting - it's priced at the same level as the quad core 3300X and might be cheaper (and I assume way more power efficient) than Intel's hex-core options (I'm thinking 10400 which is around $150) so that could be a cheap option for anyone wanting 6 cores.
I guess availability & benchmarks are going to be the key - while it fills out AMDs offering on AM4 I do wish that all would have been Zen 3 offerings, and certainly that all supported PCI-E 4.0. That and since these are probably the last AM4 chips we'll see, technically speaking LGA1700 has more longevity as Intel will support 13th gen CPUS on 600 series chipsets (unless Intel breaks with the precedent set since Sandy Bridge, where socket compatibility covers 2 generations of chipset and CPU gen).
That's the we have no answer to Intel fire sale.
I don't know if it's the lack of front page news, but since the demise of bit, tech happenings also seem to have stalled somewhat.
The 5500 is perfect for any one using X370 or X470. Why have PCIE4 if you can't use it?
Good spot, good for us B450 peasants too
On that subject, it's quite something that my test B450 board will be able to upgrade from the Gen 1 R3 1200 to ANY of the subsequent 3* generations of AMD CPUs, which is what they promised back when AM 4 came out.
*Still confused that there are 3 gens but 1x00, 2x00, 3x00, 4x00 and 5x00 CPUs exist.
I thought desktop 4x00 wasn't going to be a thing...
That's fair for anyone upgrading with an existing board.
I don't think it helps anyone starting over though. In terms of starting a new gaming build though, and especially at the cheap end of the market, you'd need at least a 5600 if you don't want to compromise a 6500XT to ensure getting PCI-E 4.0 support. Yes, that GPU is basically compromised regardless, but it is available at around MSRP and running that at anything other than PCI-E 4.0 is going to kill performance. On the Intel side, you could go with a a G6900 for $42, or more realistically a 12100F for $100, or half the cost of the 5500. With B660 motherboard options starting at a similar place as B550 AM4 boards, you can build a full platform for less on Intel vs AMD, even with these new SKUs.
Yes it's a niche case but one worth mentioning. Totally agree that it's an academic argument for anyone upgrading a CPU on 300/400 AM4 series chipsets.
@Arboreal desktop 4000 chips have been available for 18 months, but to OEM only. This launch gets the 4600G into retail from OEM only and gets $100-$130 options that are newer parts. I'm unconvinced the 4100 is any better than the 3100 (other than it might be available in decent quantities) but the 4500 gets you 2 more cores vs the 3300X that was at the same price point.
At some point the end always comes, AM4 has been around a fair while and this is a way to shift old silicon. What has it been, 6 years?
TBH if you want a future upgrade path and are starting over it's not long until AM5 later this year.
I don't favour any particular team btw, I have both intel and and setups.
If AM5 has this kind of longevity, it'll be impressive.
I'm in no hurry with what I do to jump to DDR5 / PCIe 4 etc
Same, I'll probably wait till the 5700x (maybe 5800x) comes down in price and slap it my B450.
After AM5/DDR5 has been around a while I'll move over and I'll retire my current to PC2 duties.
Asus have announced new BIOS for the following chipsets, to support the new CPUs on older motherboards, either immediately or by the end of next week.
Can anyone else see what's missing from that list?
/me cries in the general direction of his old B350M Tuf Gaming
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