Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Vault-Tec, 6 Feb 2017.
*breathe.. BREATHE.. calm down... CALM DOWN*
If that is true?
I highly, hiiiiighly doubt those speeds are true. I would be super happy if they released just another 8 core with higher clocks. I'm not so sure they will release 12 core chips on the mainstream platform either.
I have heard it from multiple sources that is it 12 core. Which is viable, given shrink = more die space. As for the clocks? well, if AMD did artificially impose a clock speed limit on Ryzen (which is believable, as well as just poor manufacturing as Bindi pointed out) then that could be why. Buy hey, maybe it is a bit too good to be true..
Like TMDD, the skeptic in me thinks only one of those things will be true...
I reckon it'll be 12c/24t or it'll be >4GHz... [and/or there'll be a price hike]
5GHz on one core, must be. I can't see 4+GHz on all 12 while keeping it under 95W. Unless GloFo has made some miracle happen. This looks like fantasy but I'll keep open minded. Only a month.
Given how good I know my 1600 is at a mere 3.9GHz, I'll be happy with a stable 4.4 - 4.5GHz on all cores - now that would be truly EPIC!!!
Like @Bindibadgi I'll keep an open mind until they land.
It'll be really interesting to see how far AMD are able to advance with this iteration. Always have to bear in mind the difference between hype and reality, having been burned in the past by promises of the moon on a stick.
12 cores and significantly higher clocks? Sounds more like a wishlist for 2nd gen Ryzen than specs of Ryzen refresh.
With that out of the way, if somehow those specs actually happened I'd order one on launch day.
If those figures are to be believed they will have had to have fixed something quite significant with the design to deliver 12 cores at 4.6 base as my 1900X sucks down some mad power at 4.2Ghz, a process shrink alone wouldn't do it. Time will tell, don't feel I need any more though, nothing I do needs more.
From another forum..
OK so I cleared my head and did some maths.
1800 cinebench 4000mhz.
So, for our 1800 CB score we are basically scoring 225 points per 1c/1t. So, 8 cores x 225 points = 1800.
So, if this were a 12 core CPU we would times the single core and thread score by 12, instead of 8. This, theoretically gives us a score of 2,700. Now we need to increase the clock speed to figure out what we would score at example, 5ghz. Remember, I am doing this linearly, meaning due to the linear way Cinebench scores I can add or remove cores and clock speeds to manipulate the end result.
So, at 4ghz or 4000mhz we score 1800 points. Our score at 1000mhz should be 1800 divided by four, so 450 cinebench points per 1000mhz. So 450CB x 4 (or 4ghz or 4000mhz) is 1800.
So, if we do this linearly we can now calculate what the 1800x would score at 5ghz. This should be an extra 1000mhz of CB points, so 450. So, theoretically at 5ghz we would score 2250 with a 8/16 1800x. Now to make it a 12 core we need to divide the score by 4 which would be 562.5. We then add that to the 5ghz theoretical CB score and we get score of 2812CB with 12 Ryzen cores running at 5ghz.
AMD are saying 70% or so faster than the 1800x which scores 1800 points. For a 100% gain we would need to double that score to 3600 for example. However, 2812 is right around 70%.
OK, so if that got a little confusing I apologise. Just remember I said it here first, If these rumours are true I predict the 12/24 @ 5ghz will score 3375 because of post below points in Cinebench.
All core clock would be the lower number rather than the 5G/
Hmm I think I have done something wrong there. 2700 for a 12 core 4ghz should be higher at the end... Sadly my new anti depressants are really making it hard for me to think properly :S
Did some more poking and I am coming up with 3262. Ugh, poxy pills !
Edit again. It is the overclock I am not calculating correctly. The 2700 per 12 cores works out in two ways at 4ghz.. Come on brain, work !!
2700 points at 4ghz on 12 cores. That means I am getting 675 per 1000mhz of 12 cores.
So I need to add 675 (another 1000mhz on 12 cores) to 2700 so that is 3375. That is my prediction, now my brain finally stopped farting...
3600 points would be a 100% increase. So the sums are absolutely spot on with the slide.
Either way... as soon as we see what's happening, my name is getting put on one for pre-order.
Some on the AMD subreddit are saying that slide was a troll.
In any case, seeing is believing...
The 5 GHz (if true) will be boost on a single or two of its cores at best. That's for damn sure.
I'm kind of expecting the 12 core thing to be wrong.
I'd reckon 8 cores with 4.4ghz turbo will be closer to reality (7820x regular turbo is 4.3, so AMD will want to aim for 4.4 for one upping purposes).
Apparently that slide is bogus.
Am not surprised. If anything the date looked wildly wrong. Q1 intro with Q2 ava is most likely.
Zen+ - 12nm, April. Richard says: Expect faster clocks, same features, same prices.
X470 - April, 'optimized' for Zen+ and lower power. Richard says: so this is Z370 v2: without the bugs and they probably changed from 40 to 28nm.
Threadripper 2 - 12nm, 2H18. Richard says: Less middle SKUs, no 8c SKU, maybe something high-end with more cores than Intel??
Vega+ - 7nm, 2H 2018 Richard says: read: 4Q
Now: Big price drops for 8/16 CPUs
Processor Cores/Threads Previous SEP New SEP Percent Reduction
Threadripper 1950X 16/32 $999 $999 N/A
Threadripper 1920X 12/24 $799 $799 N/A
Threadripper 1900X 8/16 $549 $449 -18.2%
Ryzen 7 1800X 8/16 $499 $349 -30.1%
Ryzen 7 1700X 8/16 $399 $309 -22.5%
Ryzen 7 1700 8/16 $329 $299 -9.1%
Ryzen 5 1600X 6/12 $249 $219 -12.0%
Ryzen 5 1600 6/12 $219 $189 -13.7%
Ryzen 5 1500X 4/8 $189 $174 -7.9%
Ryzen 5 2400G 4/8 $169 N/A
Ryzen 3 1300X 4/4 $129 $129 N/A
Ryzen 3 2200G 4/4 $99 N/A
EDIT: Wow so the forums auto-injects buying code to monetize my list above.
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