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News SCO files for bankruptcy

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Da Dego, 17 Sep 2007.

  1. Da Dego

    Da Dego Brett Thomas

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  2. steveo_mcg

    steveo_mcg New Member

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    /dances on grave!
     
  3. RTT

    RTT #parp

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    HAH! :D
     
  4. herbs

    herbs Nobody but us chickens

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    Oh dear what goes around comes around.
     
  5. evilgreenie

    evilgreenie Standby for Main Engine Burn

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    <conspiracy hat on>
    Its was all a scam from the start to make a lot of money for lawyers, SCO directors and a few key shareholders, and also to have a speculative pop at Open-Source to see how the community would respond.. It was still a dumb doomed-to-failure idea, but some people got rich and to them, that's all that matters..
     
  6. MilkMan5

    MilkMan5 Yeah man...

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    Interesting – I was under the impression SCO was a very strong UNIX partner.
    I’m sure this company has been around for years, probably older than me.

    How come you guys don’t seem to like this company!

    Perhaps I don’t know the full "history/facts" of this company.
     
  7. Techno-Dann

    Techno-Dann Disgruntled kumquat

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    You're fairly close, except it had a bit of a chance when it started. Not much, mind you, but it was possible that they could have won.

    But yes, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that it was a money-grab by someone or another.

    /dances on grave with steveo_mcg

    @MilkMan5:

    The SCO group licensed UNIX under a fairly ambiguous agreement from IBM, way back in the day. They produced their own flavor of UNIX, and quietly slipped under the radar, just like a lot of other UNIX-like OS distributors did. However, unlike the others, rather than quietly closing their doors when they couldn't keep going, they sued IBM for breach of copyright when IBM donated a lot of UNIX source to the Open Source movement. The licensing agreement was ambiguous enough that it wasn't clear who owned the source.

    IBM said "Sorry, we sold our UNIX team out to Novell, they're the folks you want", so SCO dropped the case with IBM, and sued Novell instead.

    It is interesting to note that the only time in the SCO group's history that they turned a profit was the year they sued IBM and Novell, as Microsoft made a substantial donation/contract. (I'm not sure what the details were, but it involved tens of millions of dollars.)

    So, the SCO group was, in effect, claiming that code in Novell's SuSE distribution (and by extension, most other Linuxes and BSDs) violated their copyright. They proceeded to play the FUD for all they could, didn't produce anything in the way of hard evidence, and generally were fairly serious jerks about the deal.

    Anyway, the courts smacked down the case, and now SCO is declaring bankruptcy. Open Source has won.

    /dance on grave
     
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  8. Breach

    Breach Modding in Exile

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    What a bunch of complete idiots. Maybe try having an actual product or service, or maybe even a business plan that isnt "sue the crap out of everyone". Just another patent troll company in the end. Bye SCO, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
     
  9. specofdust

    specofdust Banned

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    One word:

    W00T!
     
  10. DXR_13KE

    DXR_13KE BananaModder

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    joins in on the dancing on the grave.

    /sings "i'm dancing on the grave, i'm dancing on the grave, what a wonderful feeling, and i'm happy again......."
     
  11. ssj12

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    Even though its good that SCO lost, I dont like Novell having the patient... at all.
     
  12. ssj12

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    /dances on grave!!! yelling "SCO went to hell!!!"
     
  13. Woodstock

    Woodstock So Say We All

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    good bloody job. Out of curiosity how much code did IBM donate?
     
  14. DXR_13KE

    DXR_13KE BananaModder

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    current builds of linux have very few of the unix code....... and novel is cool.
     
  15. Tulatin

    Tulatin The Froggy Poster

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    Die ************s!
     
  16. DXR_13KE

    DXR_13KE BananaModder

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    /sings "the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire......":clap:
     
  17. Woodstock

    Woodstock So Say We All

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    we dont need no ...
     
  18. OleJ

    OleJ Me!

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    Won't anybody think of the children?!

    Oh wait... it said SCO.... Woooohooo!
    The only sad thing here is that some smart ass f**** lawyers made a lot of money from this whole ordeal.
    Now if only MS will take their SCO stock and STFU about the Open Source society stealing their IP.
    SCO lost the battle MS. Now please surrender or die. :)
     
  19. Shielder

    Shielder Live long & prosper!

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    Nice result for the SCO scam team.

    Little history to help people out with the story.

    Way back in the dim and distance past (almost pre-history for computer nerds...) AT&T had a little product called UNIX. They gave away the source code to many many people under some very lax licensing terms. The University of California (I think) also made and marketed a version of this UNIX system and suddenly AT&T decided that they didn't want UCL to sell BSD UNIX. So they sued. Eventually, there was a sealed agreement that they would go their separate ways and publish UNIX in their own way (hence the BSD UNIX variants and the UNIX System V Release X variants).

    Now, AT&T sold UNIX to Novell (I think anyway), who made a number of very profitable systems on the UNIX System V code base. They eventually decided to sell some of the rights to a company called The Santa Cruz Organisation (OldSCO). Now, OldSCO couldn't pony up the funds for the complete source code base, so Novell said that they could have what rights they needed to sell the OS and develop the code a bitr further. So, OldSCO got the rights to sell UNIX, develop it and then forward 100% of the monies to Novell, who would then reimburse OldSCO 5% of this money.

    OldSCO then changed their name to Tarantella who then split up (this is where things get murky) into two divisions, one of which went it's own separate way (Tarantyella), and the other was bought by the Canopy Group who then changed the name from Caldera back to SCO (or, NewSCO as we call them). Now, SCO had a good solid UNIX distribution called SCO OpenServer. It was good and stable, if not very advanced. OldSCO also used to sell Caldera Linux. They were very active on the coding front and contributed quite a bit to the linux kernel.

    With the buyout and name change came Darl McBride. He saw the failing UNIX business and thought that he could rattle a few cages and get a nice little lump sum for the directors if he accused a number of big players of copyright infringement and IP theft. So they sued Daimler Chrysler, and IBM. They sent the papers to the wrong address for Daimler and thought that IBM would buy them out to keep them quiet. Novell stepped in and said that NewSCO don't own the copyrights and have no grounds to sue IBM who have a perpetual and irrevocable licence, which SCO tried to revoke :) So SCO sued them.

    To cut a long story short, SCO saw its share price shoot up to $20 per share on the back of the announcement of the IBM lawsuit and since then has shown nothing but smoke and mirrors when asked/told/demanded to by the court. The judge is "astonished" by the lack of evidence and has ruled against NewSCO such that NewSCO may owe Novell more than they actually have in the bank. Hence the Bankrupcy filing. Oh, and the share price is now 21c per share. Nice return if you invested at $20 per share don't you think...

    An interesting sideline to this is that they have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which is designed to allow a period of restructuring to occur to get the company on an even keel and back to profit. However, the bankruptcy court may look at the court cases, listen to Novell and decide to wind up SCO and place it in Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Which basically means that SCO is toast! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    If you want a timeline of the saga, go to Groklaw and click on any of the Timeline links at the top of the page. Also look here for a timeline of UNIX.

    Andy
     
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  20. Breach

    Breach Modding in Exile

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    We can only hope :rock: I also hope that their fine example will deter other equally inept companies from trying this kind of baseless lawsuits just to make money.
     
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