My frustration goes way back Cheaps. You and Bill did an awesome job on that Modder's-Inc. Mini-ITX competition. I loved it. Congrats. I wasn't even considered to be invited even though I was an active member of their forum and had just come off the first ever Mini-ITX mod contest with a first place win. They invited six people who had never built ITX before. Again congrats but you should understand that you did not get to compete against the, I dare say, best and most experienced that day.