1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Snoopers Charter passed into Law

Discussion in 'Serious' started by Darkwisdom, 22 Nov 2016.

  1. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,976
    Likes Received:
    1,122
    The ECJ stated that the snoopers' charter is compatible with European law but that there should be limits and safeguards to ensure its appropriate use for criminal investigation only (and not e.g. whether you paid your TV license).
     
  2. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

    Joined:
    3 May 2012
    Posts:
    5,144
    Likes Received:
    135
    As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm pretty sure not paying for a TV license if required is a criminal offence.
     
  3. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

    Joined:
    23 Apr 2009
    Posts:
    9,835
    Likes Received:
    884
    IIRC it is still a criminal offence... There were attempts to get it bumped down to a civil offence, but i don't think anything ever came of it...
     
  4. walle

    walle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    5 Jul 2006
    Posts:
    1,640
    Likes Received:
    44
    You gotta love those victimless "crimes".
     
  5. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2010
    Posts:
    3,959
    Likes Received:
    206
  6. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    Is it only me wondering why this isn't getting more coverage in, and i hate this term, the main stream media.
     
  7. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

    Joined:
    20 Nov 2005
    Posts:
    9,798
    Likes Received:
    466
    Because most people understand as much about the tech aspect as the people saying it.

    IE: **** all.
     
  8. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    Looks like 150k people are going to be disappointed now the petition for this bill to be debated in parliament has been refused, apparently they've talk about it to much already.

    Maybe they missed the part of the bill that compels state officials to lie in court, although I'll admit I'm not sure of what the implications of something like that would be. :confused:
     
  9. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2010
    Posts:
    3,959
    Likes Received:
    206
    Says it all really.
     
  10. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    Found this podcast on soundcloud where 3 guys talk about their concerns about the snoopers charter, maybe interesting to some people.
     
  11. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    Looks like the snoopers charter has been dealt a blow.
    I guess a good reason to be getting on with leaving the EU is because of this...
     
  12. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

    Joined:
    3 May 2012
    Posts:
    5,144
    Likes Received:
    135
    They will get the ISPs to put the logging into an end user agreement and you will be left with a private company doing something as part of their business, rather than government snooping. The government can then do some "targeting" ;) ;) of "serious" ;) ;) crime by investigating people randomly.
     
  13. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    Getting the user to sign away their rights when taking out broadband would certainly work however that wouldn't (afaik) cover public WiFi, communications coming in from EU IPs to UK IPs, along with other stuff that i can't think of ATM. :)

    Maybe our MPs think they can delineate the UK internet and UK data from the rest of the world, I'm not sure they realise how data on the internet doesn't obey geographical borders, well unless you want to create a UK intranet.
     
  14. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,976
    Likes Received:
    1,122
    Well, North Korea managed to create their own intranet, and is doing just fine. :p

    Or perhaps the UK can go it like China. It will end up owning most of the UK's infrastructure anyway, so that's quite convenient.

    EDIT: fun fact: the case that Theresa May's government just lost at the ECJ was brought by David Davies when he was still a backbencher. :D
     
    Last edited: 21 Dec 2016
  15. hyperion

    hyperion Active Member

    Joined:
    30 Jun 2007
    Posts:
    754
    Likes Received:
    30
    Thank goodness.
     
  16. Anfield

    Anfield Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2010
    Posts:
    3,959
    Likes Received:
    206
    The compass of the May government for the Internet:

    Who do we want to implement blocks? Everyone.
    What content do we want to block? Everything.

    http://www.kitguru.net/channel/jon-...ould-put-blocking-onus-on-ancillary-websites/
     
    Last edited: 21 Dec 2016
  17. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,976
    Likes Received:
    1,122
    Good luck with trying to enforce that with websites based abroad.

    I wonder how the UK will position itself as the champion of free trade and make itself an attractive base for new foreign business while at the same time putting its internet access under heavy restrictions.
     
  18. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    Going on what I've read it seems they plan to work with ISP to block sites that don't comply, they already do it with sites who provide databases of material that infringes copyright, although some people have questioned how they're going to tackle social media sites that apparently have users who post links to pornographic material.

    It's what governments do, they tell you how great things are and distract you while they're lifting the wallet out of your back pocket.
     
  19. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,976
    Likes Received:
    1,122
    I'm not sure that blocking popular and much-used sites like Facebook, Twitter et al is going to quite convey the image of a hands-off liberal free market government open to global business. Unless companies will, like MPs, get special exemption.

    One internet for the proles, another internet for the elite.
     
  20. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    8,558
    Likes Received:
    203
    As the Snooper charter goes live today i thought I'd mark the occasion with what i consider a well written blog post for anyone who still thinks the "nothing to hide" argument holds water.

    ...
     
    Last edited: 31 Dec 2016

Share This Page