Snoopers Charter passed into Law

Discussion in 'Serious' started by Darkwisdom, 22 Nov 2016.

  1. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    126
    Little nervous posting this as i don't want to come across as flogging a dead horse and I'm not sure if there's a rule against pimping crowdfunding (if there is i apologise to the mods and understand if this post gets deleted or i get warned/banned), however i feel strongly that our laws should be designed to function as if the *people we trust least are in power.

    To that effect Liberty has started a crowdfunding legal challenge to the Investigatory Powers Act.

    *That's not a dig at our current government in case there's misunderstanding, it's an issue of trust in all future governments whoever they maybe.
     
  2. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,467
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Commander Vimes didn’t like the phrase “The innocent have nothing to fear,” believing the innocent had everything to fear, mostly from the guilty but in the longer term even more from those who say things like “The innocent have nothing to fear.” - Snuff, Terry Pratchett
     
  3. Disequilibria

    Disequilibria Member

    Joined:
    30 Sep 2015
    Posts:
    857
    Likes Received:
    16
    People forget that innocence becomes subjective under the ideology of the autocrat...
     
  4. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,467
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Indeed. This is aptly explored in a blog by a British Sci-Fi writer called Rod Rees:

     
  5. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    126
  6. loftie

    loftie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Feb 2009
    Posts:
    2,620
    Likes Received:
    65
    Amber at it again.
    While my encryption is pretty rusty, the fact she says 'I am not suggesting you give us the code' makes me think she thinks encryption is still in the Roman era.
     
  7. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,467
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    As soon as someone starts their argument with: "I don't need to understand..." I usually stop listening to them.
     
  8. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    126
    It makes me think Mrs Rudd doesn't even understand basic maths.

    Maybe if she doesn't want to be sneered at she should make some attempt to grasp the basics, maybe at least understand what encryption actually is.
     
  9. loftie

    loftie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Feb 2009
    Posts:
    2,620
    Likes Received:
    65
    As I said, it seems she thinks encryptions is stuck in the Roman era. The 'code' is shift it 3 places to the left, or she imagines it as a virtual safe that requires a code to be entered to 'unlock' the message. Either way, she definitely needs to do more research into how modern cryptography works as Encryption for Dummies isn't enough!
     
  10. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    126
    Maybe we should gift her a copy of this book via Amazon. ;)

    [​IMG]

    On second thoughts though maybe not, she'd probably call for it to be banned or think we were making fun of her and throw it in the bin.
     
  11. loftie

    loftie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Feb 2009
    Posts:
    2,620
    Likes Received:
    65
    Holy s***, it actually exists.
     
  12. MLyons

    MLyons Half doge/ half dev Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    3 Mar 2017
    Posts:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    211
    Amber is free to have my information as soon as I get to see theirs. The fact the snooper charters was blocked until politicians and their families were conveniently exempt rubs me the wrong way.,
     
  13. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    126
    Looks like the government has accepted that some parts of the Snoopers charter are "inconsistent with EU law" apparently because...
    • law enforcement did not need to seek independent permission to access communications data
    • collecting communication metadata was not only reserved for the most serious crimes
    To address those concerns, the government proposes:
    • that offences carrying a potential prison sentence of six months or more should be considered "serious crimes" for which communications data can be collected
    • that communications data will no longer be collected for the purpose of public health, collecting taxes or regulating financial markets
    • creating a new Office for Communications Data Authorisations (OCDA) that will authorise or decline law enforcement requests for data
    Win?
     
  14. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,467
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Because we all know that six months is the typical sentence for a serious crime. :p

    I guess this bill will go on the back burner until after Brexit.
     
  15. Corky42

    Corky42 What did walle eat for breakfast?

    Joined:
    30 Oct 2012
    Posts:
    7,915
    Likes Received:
    126
    I'm not sure how they'd do that as the bill came into force last year.

    Can the government ignore, postpone, or use other delaying tactics for a year or more now the ECJ has made its ruling?
     
  16. Nexxo

    Nexxo Bargaining chip

    Joined:
    23 Oct 2001
    Posts:
    32,467
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    They have so far. :p
     

Share This Page