News Snow Leopard Arrives on 28th August

but thats Apple/mac for you, they charge for everything even to make their products better they charge you to do it lol point in case the iPhone lol

 

Eh?

 

Bauul,

I understand what your saying, but Win 7 to me still feels more like a halfway house than a new OS, to the point where Vista could be its first beta. Also, as with Vista, some features do seem somewhat borrowed from a certain rival, but less well integrated, still firmly leaving MS in the position of follower rather than innovator.

Still, I'm not looking to start some fan boy BS, I’m just saying (as someone who uses both a PC and Mac) I still prefer OSX to anything MS is offering and that includes Win 7.

Its now up to MS to prove me wrong, but I still feel SL (service pack or not) will keep Apple a step ahead in terms of having the more user friendly, efficient and reliable OS.

HourBeforeDawn,

The thing is, Apple are upfront about bleeding you dry; MS get their hooks into you first and then do it from the inside; point in case, the Xbox 360. lol

 

Very true, which is why I'd never use OSX. Windows's library of software (read Games) will always trump Apple's.



Sorry, sorry, couldn't help myself. I'm not here to get into an argument that's completely unwinnable as both OSs have plus and minus points. Apple does less, better, and Windows does more, worse. Which you prefer is down to you.

 

I have to inform you that you are wrong. I ran Vista for 3 years and it was more stable than XP for me. There was so much false information out there about Vista it's ridiculous.

Why are mac users so partisan anyway? It's the consumer that loses out because of blind loyalty to an artificial brand.

 

Actually I'm not wrong. I'm speaking of mine and my friends personal experiences. Why is it as soon as someone mentions Vista and problems in the same sentence they can't possibly be speaking of their own experiences and it must be all 'that hype' surrounding the OS that has influenced someones own opinions?!

Mac ... partisan ... blahblah. Sorry fell asleep. Yet another pro-PC boo-Mac poster. Live a little, expand your mind and knowlexdge instead of being blindly loyal to one tech.

 

A Mac is a PC isn't it? It's the same hardware anyway. You come across as very pro mac, as you basically went on saying how rubbish Microsoft is and how good Apple is, and saying how terrible Vista was. Where I and many many other people I know all ran it without a hiccup. It's only a tool to do a job at the end of the day, and the windows tool, especially vista, worked and was stable.

If anything, we have recently been moaning at how Windows 7 is less stable (in terms of BSODs, crashes, etc.) than Vista. In 3 years, the only crashes I ever had were when I was trying to boost my overclock (got up to about 3.18ghz ^^). In XP, crashes were a fact of life. I don't know how frequently OS X crashes as I seldom use it, but my point was you were saying Vista crashes like a bitch when it doesn't, not for me and not for anyone else I know who has used it.

Valid criticisms of Vista are that it uses too much memory (or rather, it allocates memory to prefetching even on systems with limited amounts of memory), or that UAC is a PITA, or that nvidia suck at making drivers for it.

But Vista is the same kernel as Windows server 2008, it is incredibly stable, unless you are messing about with it (hacking the OS, installing unsigned drivers, that kind of thing). All drivers (which cause majority of crashes in XP) must be digitally signed to ensure they don't crash (this isn't a problem with Mac, because they only use one set of hardware / drivers).

I have to agree with Zac:

Take a chill pill. I come on bit tech because it's the best tech journalism out there, not to engage in 'mac fanbois vs pc fanbois' arguments I would more commonly see on youtube comments.

 

Mmmk. Please quote me where I said MS was rubbish ... you can't because I didn't.

Please quote me where I say Apple is good ... you can't because I didn't.

Please quote the exact phrase where I say I am pro-Mac ... you can't because that is how you have twisted my posts to suit your own agenda. I'm pro-tech. You don't see me on MS threads bashing MS and you never will. You don't see me in Nvidia threads or ATI threads bashing them. But you will see me defend anything and any company that receives all this unecessary BS. If people aren't intrested in the tech then stay out the threads, it isn't hard is it?

1. I've been using the open beta of Win7 on my main desktop with 8gb ram, Q9450, 4870 X2. The only crash so far has been Firefox.

2. I've been using the open beta of Win7 on 2 of my laptops. No crashes.

3. My Vista crashed all the time, neither me nor my friends use Vista and went back to using XP ages ago.

You see how yours and my experiences differ? Now I'm not calling you a liar and don't expect to be called one back so how about we just agree that our experiences are different.

It wasn't incredibly stable in my experience. The net was alive with people slagging off Vista for a reason, I take it you were around to witness all the negativity surrounding the Vista release and subsequent months after release?

Strange you are still here doing exactly that. AND accusing me of being a Mac fanboi which I'm clearly not, I just can't stand the dicks on these forums getting unecessary with their useless anti-Apple posts. We agree the journalism may be good in here but maybe we disagree that the readers leave a lot to be desired.

 

love reading these treads

most of vista BSOD (should of been called NvBSOD) was related to nvidia when playing games or at desktop dono why MS certified them, main problem with vista is how harsh it is on the hard disk most of my time wasting was installing printers or software taking longer then thay should be to install some times 20 mins for something that should take 5 or less, if you used vista under RAID 0 you unlikely notices it or SSD (as SSD loves lots of I/O), id say 99% of my crashs was related to the video card on vista

on windows 7 on my main pc i have only had BOSD relating to an USB Pen drive every time i plugged it in (dono what it was but does not do it now), but a lot of stuff is far smoother on windows 7 compared to vista thinks jsut happen (but that mite just be the Corsair S128 SSD i have now but the the responsive system is on my laptop as well that is running an norm laptop 120gb hdd)

i am posting this on opera on an 1.7ghz M P4 with 756mb of ram,W7 and the system is responsive (anti virus as well) boot up time is good , if i had vista running on this now i would of likely put XP on it long time ago

the Key on Vista and windows 7 are 32bit and 64bit dual key its the disk that determines if you have 32 or 64 not the key (apart from starter thats 32bit only) download an 64bit disk and use your 32bit key it will work

apple computers are as they are if you want to spend a lot of money and get something that looks nice you got them, apple OSX has been a lot more bolted lately so they need this OSX Update to bring the performance up an bit

i fix computers my self and work with all sorts of systems Vista is an slow arse OS to mess with when its on systems with no RAID or SSD in system very annoying waiting for the system to do all the disk trashing, superfetch service (Give NO I/O priority to other programs that Wants disk access when filling ram up) and trustedinstaller/system restore halting software/hardware installs for long times are the main problems with vista

and XP just works norm very stable (say Vista and 7 are more stable now due to drivers) and every thing just works as intended no fuss

security wise Vista and 7 set to high level (i have mine set 1 from the bottom as i find making the whole screen go dark is annoying) is good, XP is ok but lacks the UAC to stop admin Level up, apple is most likely the least secure OS (as been proven lots of times) but its to small user base to Bother making virus for it or malware for it (Most if not at most all (apart form SQL) of security risks on windows are User faults for installing it from an web site not faults with the OS it self for been insecure you can get upto 2-4 warnings on vista or 7, 2-3 on XP {depends on how the download is started or going to be started if it blocked the popup download first} on apple it 1 maybe depends if key thing is turned on or not), security ends when you run something your not sure about

this type of stuff is better left on other forums that like flames (does bit-tech/custom PC have an TS or vent server) as typing comments about apple OSX and M$ OS tends to turn into an flame war as its hard to type what i think for the most part

the update for OSX should be nice for the users who can install it or want it

 

isnt microsoft charging £59 for a bug fixed windows vista. Or vista as how it should of been done in the first place. £25 for a speed increase sounds like a good idea

as for vista crashes hmm

vista is fine. Disable all the crap. And it beats xp in every situation. Win 7 has alot of stability issues to go through before ill upgrade it( yes i do have it pre orderd) on rc, It had major issues with ATI drivers (4850 card on 2nd pc) ( just would not install a driver so you could not even boot it) Had to manuel enter safe mode to install a working driver. I like vista never really had that many issues with it. win vista just needs 4gb of ram to keep it happy ( win 7 is no dif) And a fast hard drive ( win 7 is no dif again) if you have both of these components it flys along.

I want to see fps comparisons of games on win vista vs win 7 and then we will all see if an upgrade is worth while. Till its done by this site i think most are happy to sit on the fence and wait.

 

Funny that this thread ended up as another let's see who is more partisan to their tech.
You are both losers. Get over yourselves.
You are both holier-than-thou. It's a sickness. Don't you see it?

I can save you all if you accept my truth.

 

funny how Apple just give up on the whole X theme and simply stuck a ***** cat on it. is the recession hitting them?

 

That's just pornographic.

 

It's called Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

 

He means in terms of the disc/sleeve design, as it was previously the big X.

I know a lot of people who didn't get their copies yesterday, or at least didn't when I was talking to them early afternoon. What time did you get yours RTT?

 

Yeh because that makes even more sense now you've explained it.

Got mine this morning.

 

it makes no sense, it basically means they thrown their deisng pattern out of the window

 

Well seeing as they've never been so cash rich I guess they can afford to do whatever they like.

wuyanxu, how long have they been using the X design? Obviously if its only a couple of weeks then you could be right.