When have music and youth culture been two seperate entities within the last 100yrs? Never that's when. BTW I don't really see how you can write off metal based on 'gangs of 15 yearolds in their slipknot hoodies'. Theres a little more to metal than Slipknot you know.
im talking about the visibile stereotype, i dont particulaly dislike metal, just its culture. anyhow for the guy talking about lemmy, surely the classiest thing he did was that kit kat advert
He did a Kit Kat advert? Wonder if that was in the US, I seemed to have missed it... Actually, I'm suprised that they allowed him to be in the mainstream with a commercial and all!
Of course they are, because music is just a catalyst in Youth Culture, just as (for example) drugs, clothes, location or sport are. It's like saying letterboxes and red aren't two seperate things, just because they're always associated with eachother.
Hate to rub it in, but it was rather excellent (if it's the one i remember). It was about the contrasts of people e.g Lemmy was stood in a restaurant playing a violin to a romantic couple at a table... In fact, it's the only part of that ad i remember
I have to dissagree with the first bit there. There is independance. But the independance lies in not displaying your independance. It's when a person (especially a kid) starts ranting on about how independent they are than everyone else wants to do the same thing, then they begin to grow from each other. At some point there was a first grunger, you have to remember that. It wasn't overnight that wearing black clothes and listening to some guy scream into a mic about how ****ty the world is became the thing to do if you wanted to defy the man.
I was more directing it towards your average youth culture.. you gain independance as you grow older and learn to care less what other people think.
A greater sense of independance is deffinately aquired as one grows older, but I think it was unfair to say there was no independence umong youth. That's all.
Agreed. In most cases, when you're young you tend to be "one of the crowd" and not gain independance for fear of isolation from the set norm in your peer group. When you get older and start to realize that you don't give a rats *** about what other people think along your growing confidence in who you are, you gain back the independance. There are always exceptions to the rule though.
So little as to be negligible then.. I can honestly say that, when I was growing up, I knew no-one who really stood out from a given crowd. Even those who tried to stand out, just looked like others who tried to stand out. I never thought of myself as in any kind of group, but when I look back to my youth, I was a skater (boots not boards) and I wore the same dungarees, Ocean Pacific tops and Swatch Watches (Yeaaaahhhhh... ) as everyone else. Then when I got into rock and wore the same leather jackets, black.. well everything, and unlaced Martens as all my mates. Now, I consider myself an independent person, but I'm not unique, there's a million other me's out there just the same as there is for everyone else.. I just care less about it. Hence my reasoning for saying there's no true independance, everyone is led by something but it's more obvious when you're younger, because you haven't had a chance to experience things which take you outside your social circle.
But I think you were looking in the wrong place. The people who aren't like everyone else don't stand out. Granted there aren't many, but I can think of quite a few kids at my school who are by no means "just like everyone else." But they don't flaunt that they aren't like everyone else. And no one really takes the time to notice that they aren't like everyone else. I'm sure when I get older I'll look back and go "Pft, I was just like any other geek/choir-nerd." But for now, I'm the only geek+choir-nerd I know, and that keeps me at least a little seperated from each group... if that makes any sense. But I know that I don't follow my group's music, or my group's fashion, or pretty much anything characteristic of my group. Neither to most of my friends. We know that trying to fit in is stupid, be it with the jocks and cheerleader or with the "goths" and "punkers." So we do our own things. But we don't go around saying "Hey look at us, we're not like you guys!" We're not like each other either, so we're not even a group, maybe a clique? Anywho, try to think back and look for the people who didn't try to be the same or different. The people who weren't just part of one group. The people who really, truly didn't care what anyone thought. Not their friends, not the "jocks", not the "goths," no one. If anyone didn't like what they wore/listened to/thought, it didn't matter. Their friends would tell them that they didn't like something about them and they would say "Get over it." and their friends would. These are the people that have some sense of independence. They realize that if their friends don't like something, and they can't get over it (especially if it's something stupid, like what music they listen to, or what they wear), they aren't real friends. There may not be a huge number of them, but they exist.
I would say that I'm pretty independant of particular groups. I mean, I am open to any sorts of music, whereas most metal fans I know wouldn't even consider a band if they are kinda charty. I know people that have gone off bands purely because a single got quite high in the pop charts. As it happens I'm into Indie music mainly, but I'm still open to other stuff. I'd quite like it if someone suggested some decent metal that I may find I like. In a similar way, I really just wear what I like, regardless of if other people like it. I don't buy clothes that are common among particular groups. I have clothes from lots of different groups, whereas many wouldn't consider a certain style of clothing because of this...And I really think it is beyond, just because they don't like the clothing. I feel that most people join groups where they will all wear the same and listen to the same music. I think this does change slightly as people get older. Although even adults will choose not to wear certain clothes because of what other people will think etc.
I like some metal, but I dislike most of the 'new' metal... Thats just aint right... I hate the slipknot thing.. although they've made some good music.. I hate the whole thing around it... that makes it bad I prefer the older, imo better Metal bands ! I don't really know so much about it.. so If anybody knows bands that resemble a bit to Metallica, then please post. thanks, L
It's Binary 101 by earthtone9. Buy arc'tan'gent by them if you ever get the chance - it's a beautiful album and one of the few I can listen to all the way through... Official downloads: http://www.et9evo.iofm.net/site/download.htm Official site taken over by fans when the band split. Unfortunately binary 101 isn't there... *n
