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Discussion in 'Gaming' started by Parge, 10 Oct 2012.

  1. JazzXP

    JazzXP Eh! Steve

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    Vanduul Swarm (just solo) + M50 = fun. I can only imagine what the Gladius would be like. My wallet better watch out if it goes on sale again...
     
  2. IanW

    IanW Grumpy Old Git

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    $56,000,000 achievement unlocked. Engine coolers for everyone!

    Current pledgecount = $56,114,712 Citizens = 611,654 UEE Fleet = 466,080

    Wave 4 ship poll shows science vessel has 32% of the vote, followed by long range fighter with 15%.
     
  3. PaulC2K

    PaulC2K PC Master Race

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    Yeah, with a farewell to the salvage tug on 3% (Minelayer, Recon & 3rd starter all on 4%).
    Im a little surprised that Recon isnt a bit higher, sent in ahead of a big assault, low radar signature, paint a picture of the scene and relay the data back to HQ, and then move in.

    It also feels like a SQ42 ship, although they could invent that ship and it never exist as a model, and simply relay data back for the storyline, but im still a little surprised its set to face an early chop.

    Meanwhile, with 8%, is Passenger Liner/Transport. A Bus/Coach, in other words. Who's paying $100 to be a bus driver? :D By all means, take a Freelancer MAX, stick some seats in the back and add some windows, likewise a Starfarer perhaps (boxed out rear), something that has the space to resemble public transportation. At least you get a ship role for very little effort, compared to building a space bus from scratch with its own interior & damage modelling etc.
    Its the 5th most popular, from 10 options. I suspect it wont finish 5th though, once more are eliminated. Im sure if you asked people to put all 10 in order of preference, few would have Bus outside their bottom 3.
     
  4. Tichinde

    Tichinde Minimodder

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    Doesn't the hornet ghost fill the recon role?

    Maybe do a bit of mix and match between the tracker and ghost...
     
  5. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    Hey, people play Bus Simulator already.

    As for Recon, I feel it wasn't a strong role. The Ghost is already somewhat of a recon ship, and the Tracker also fills a similar position. Other ships such as the M50 and 315p can likely also be used as force recon.
     
  6. teamtd11

    teamtd11 *Custom User Title*

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    $600! :O
     
  7. Tichinde

    Tichinde Minimodder

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    **** that noise :D

    Do so want one but I think I'll just steal one....
     
  8. PaulC2K

    PaulC2K PC Master Race

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    890 Jump going on sale on Friday for $600. Ouch. Not a surprise really, its a bigger version of the Phoenix, like a main HQ type of ship, a bit like the R&Y or Aeroview Hangar. Room to dock a small ship (300 series maybe). Definitely not one for me, in the PU, sure but it'll be a fair way down the list i think. I'd add extra escort ships, and things like the Orion, Hull C, Idris/Corvette, basically org ships. So an 890 wouldnt be high on my list.

    10FTC too


    Also, from the 'Comm-Link schedule for the week' thread:

    Interesting they might do a ATV and RTV of sorts.

    7PM PDT = 3am UK, which is nice for me :D

    - edit -
    Aaaand someone didnt get an email notification for a reply to this thread. So ignore the 890 Jump quote :D
     
  9. PaulC2K

    PaulC2K PC Master Race

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    Its possible it could, although i'd imagine the recon would have less firepower and more role-specific systems to map the area and report the data back to base, so you've got a live picture of the battleground.

    Im assuming its not the same, because otherwise why list it as a 'recon' if the Ghost is recon. To me they're implying a distinction that this is for that role. The Phoenix & 890 Jump are transportation (passenger), but they're more Limo than Bus, which is what the wave 4 ship sounds like.

    I've seen people asking before if there is a ship which is like such & such from EVE which is lacking in weapons, but is basically a spy/recon, and they didnt seem impressed when the Ghost was the reply. Its not a role im bothered about, i just see it as more of a number of people would want to play, or would like someone in their org who'd do this role and see its importance. I can understand people wanting to bus people around, but i dont see it being a big interest, nor people seeing it as being interesting having in-game even if they're not bothered.

    Thats kinda why i feel it'd be more useful for a Freelancer MAX mod fill this role. The same could be said for the Ghost & Recon role, and many others, but im just not convinced we need them to put in the required hours to make a space bus, not ahead of a Tug, 3rd starter, mine layer/sweeper, search & rescue etc.
    If theres a 5th wave, hopefully the 'rejected' suggestions will return, there isnt any suggestions where i think its unsuitable and a waste of time, i just dont think a bus is a priority, compared to any of the alternatives, not when it's probably going to require say 200hrs to make it.
     
  10. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    $600? That's bonkers. Much rather earn one in the PU - especially if it is being flown as a BitSec command ship, which means it should really be a group purchase. Whilst I think these will sell, the available market of purchasers is going to be quite small.
     
  11. IanW

    IanW Grumpy Old Git

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    QFT. But...

    There are 612,270 Citizens as I post this, with a total pledge count of $56,246,067.

    If CIG can sell 1,000 ships next week, then that $600,000 would put them within shouting distance of a $57 million Chairman's Letter!
     
  12. Parge

    Parge the worst Super Moderator

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    To be absolutely honest, all this constant ship selling is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe that'll change when they show what they've actually been spending the cash on at PAX Australia this week.
     
  13. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    Ship selling doesn't bother me per say, because I know they're spending the money on development - the regular reports are reassuring in that regard, and the fact that AC is massively improved as well. Yes, it's going to be good to see the FPS and PU elements in the next weeks, but I'm not concerned that CIG are actually just thumb twiddling.

    The other thing about SC is there is no subscription. Once the games hits retail all those servers are going to have to be paid for somehow.
     
  14. bawjaws

    bawjaws Multimodder

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    I have to agree. I know that very, very few people are going to drop $600 on a single ship (although some people will, and they may well sell all 890 units, but I'd be surprised), but the sales just seem to be constant at the moment and I'm not sure that the money being raised is necessary. It's a far cry from the early days where every $75 or whatever was a step closer to getting the game off the ground as a viable entity, whereas now it seems that there's a bit of a cash-grab going on that isn't necessarily going to produce a quantitively better game.

    I'd have a bit more respect for RSI/CIG if they parked the sales for now, and went back to the well later when they need the money for something specific. Right now it just feels that the community is being milked a bit when the money isn't serving a particularly noble goal. Personally, I think that if the money being raised from ship sales isn't essential to producing the game, sales should be put on hold for the time being. Alternatively, if ship sales are to continue, perhaps they should focus more on smaller-ticket items, because being asked to pony up $600 for a space bus seems dangerously close to taking the pure piss! :D
     
  15. IanW

    IanW Grumpy Old Git

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  18. PaulC2K

    PaulC2K PC Master Race

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    Just wait till it sinks in that CIG are selling 890 during the live stream, then another 890 x3 other time zones :D Its 3560 going on sale in total, for over $2.1m (assuming every one is bought with cash, not melted credits).
    The Phoenix was limited to 5000 units @ 350 (ship only) and sold no problem. The same people who bought a Phoenix are likely to want the 890 Jump (probably melt).
    The Idris sold at alarming rates, at $1000 & then $1250, although in fewer numbers.
    Im not so sure they'll fly out the door, but im pretty sure they'll be gone over the weekend.

    The problem with 'stop selling ships' is thats most likely because you dont want anything else. You tell all the people who have been waiting for the Carrack, or the Orion etc that they cant buy anything else, because someone who's spent everything they're interested in, and dont care about raising more funds, tough, im happy with what ive got and what CIG have got.

    I dont think CIG *need* more money, but they'll certainly welcome it and we'll see something good from it all over the life of the project, and i dont intend to spend any more cash beyond $20-30 if i cant stretch to something i fancy without adding a little. That said, i enjoy seeing the ship sales, i wasnt interested in buying a Freelancer or Constellation, but i was looking forward to seeing the work CIG had done, watching the commercial and reading the Brochure, and with the Gladius, Xi'an Scout & Reclaimer i enjoy learning about the first bits of information about a ship we've only previously known the name & role of, seeing more about it and getting excited for what it brings to the final game, is something i very much look forward to. So its also tied to people opting to buy them, its not telling me i have to chip in to pay for it, so let those who want their pledge to give them one as their reward, and i'll stick with my choices (for now, at least) and grab the rest in the PU and look forward to doing that too.

    Allow me to introduce PaulC2K refuelling services :D:D
     
  19. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14184-Letter-From-The-Chairman

    So yeah, CR has obviously thought hard about the funding.
    Whilst I agree that $600 is a bit bonkers, there's obviously the demand out there for it. Equally, I'm sure we'll see some cheaper ships come up for sale again for those who don't want to make such a big investment. It's always a bit galling to see a ship sale for yet another ship you can't afford...
     
  20. PaulC2K

    PaulC2K PC Master Race

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    I guess its just the nature of ship design to a degree.
    They needed to start out by creating the entry level stuff, and sell it with a copy of the game for a reasonable AAA title price.
    We got the Aurora, 300 series, Hornets, Avenger, and then the Gladius, Scout, Gladiator, Mustang & M50.

    If the cheapest game package is for a $30 ship, the rest are going to increase from that. Then when you start adding bigger ships, its never going to be sub-$100 ships, simply because if a Hornet is worth $120+ then how can a Freelancer, Cutlass, Conny etc (and they're the size 2 group) be 'affordable', this 3rd wave seems like its even bigger ships than the wave 2 lot (W2 = Retaliator, Merchantman, Caterpillar, Starfarer, Idris which range from $175 - $1250. $250 roughly for those in between the 2 extremes) so if we're going even bigger, more specialised... its not unreasonable to think its got to be more expensive.

    Wave 4 seems more mixed, its like they've got a lot of the important top-end ships for specific roles out of the way now, and now they're voting for ships which fill any remaining holes. Some big, some small.

    Its just where they're at in the building phase. Get the affordable commonplace stuff out of the way, then move on to mid-tier ships, then the top-end ones, and then cover the niche stuff.

    If people want to contribute large sums towards SC, they can and they will, but this viewpoint of "if i want this ship, CIG want me to pay $600, F-that!" is the problem. CIG want people to contribute and get something of meaning for that. You dont NEED to pay more than $35 to buy an Idris etc, you're volunteering to hand over money rather than earning it in game.
    The sooner people accept it as pledging and getting something in return, rather than "if i want X, i must pay CIG Y" the better.
    'Invest' what you're comfortable with, and enjoy whatever that entitles you to in return. The alternative is just going to leave you bitter and excluded, when really the reality is that this ship is getting built, and you'll one day get to fly it if you want to.
     
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