Films Star Wars - HUGE SPOILERS INSIDE. DO NOT ENTER IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE FILM

I liked the film much more the second time I saw it. I suspect you might too, if you can let go of some of your less realistic expectations of what Star Wars films should be like.

I'm not trying to convince you it's a better film than you've so far assessed it as, but just trying to help you adjust your perspective on it a bit, given that you've only seen it once. I don't give Star Wars films scores, they are on their own plane; to me they're not films, they're just Star Wars. I didn't think this film was going to meet my standards and me be able to consider it real Star Wars, but I do now.

 

The plot is happening in a galaxy far far away where technology is more advanced and scientist are smarter. If the Gungans managed to built energy shield that can deflect blasters...how far behind are we ?

 

Star War has always been at the 'It just does...' end of science fiction, up there with the like of Doctor Who.

Though I'd wager that if has got to the point where you're picking at the feasibility of the science/tech, then the film just isn't doing it for you.

 

Have you had Jedi training?

 

luke and leia both are force users , so all the children involved will be to some level force trained anyway

 

From a certain perspective, yes, there are many similarities. To a not-insignificant extent George Lucas used mirroring in the across the first 6 films. TFA takes mirroring to another level, undoubtedly, but I and many others don't have a problem with it, and to some the mirroring is positively welcome.

It didn't even occur to me watching the film, because that sort of thing is not where my focus was. The primary story (IMO) in TFA is Rey's journey. The secondary story is Ben Solo's. The tertiary story is the First Order vs. The Resistance in the race to Luke Skywalker. All the bits you've pointed out are just the structural bits of the film linking the main bits of story together.

Seemingly the destruction of the Republic serves the rest of the tertiary story in the trilogy, so they needed some mega weapon to achieve that, so an evolution from the Death Star to Starkiller Base is understandable - how else do you go about destroying the Republic?

It's not a contradiction, it's just not the same as we were shown before. One minute you don't like repeating stuffed from previous films, but now you want them to mirror the Jedi training?

Using the Force is not the same as being a Jedi. Rey is not a Jedi, she'd need some form of structured training to fulfill whatever criteria the Jedi had for ranking up, but that doesn't mean she can't swing a lightsabre and feel the Force in the process or use the Force in any other way. It would be like saying Mozart can't have written any symphonies when he was 4 (or whatever that trivia is) because he hadn't graduated music school. Other than the midichlorian stuff in TPM, there aren't any parameters in which the Force has to operate. Nothing in the first 6 films is contradicted.

Nevermind whether you know how the Force works, that's not how logic works.

 

Weak "it just does" arguments aside, the title of the film answered many of your questions, in my opinion.

In an earlier film (one of the prequels), Yoda and Windu (iirc) discuss the diminishing ability of the Jedi utilise the force - maybe this is why so much training was previously required and why the dark side had the allure of greater power more quickly.

This film witnesses a resurgence in the force and, perhaps, a balancing of it's utility by those that are naturally predisposed to harnessing it's power. i.e. the Jedi and the Sith.

Ren is a part of the new order and disciple of the Sith, and this awakening may just put the light back on par with the dark, and it's utility becomes more instinctual.

None of this is meant to appease you, but it is roughly how I felt the film was supposed to work.

A final note: Looking for plot holes and wuts in Star Wars is like looking for sh!t in a field of cows - you'll be there all day cataloging them and miss the bigger picture - Steak! no, I mean its more of a space opera than an attempt at accurately portraying the science required. It's more about being swept along than counting the steps.

Arguing otherwise with fanboys is an exercise in futility.

I enjoyed it and gave it an 8/10 but, as with the rest of the series, I viewed it as an ejoyable popcorn flick - well, more a popcorn epic.

 

I especially like the bit when they find Luke on some random Irish island. I swear there were Puffins in the background. More convincing than the two facial expressions Mark Hamill had to act anyway!

 

This is also the main issue I had with JJTrek, the plot was almost a carbon copy of a previous film [Nemesis] and the references to the past felt shoehorned in - oh we haven't heard McCoy says 'Im a Doctor not a..' oh wait never mind, there it is...

As enjoyable as it and JJTrek may have been to watch at the time, imo both films felt like their sole purpose was to milk existing fans, and in a few years time most of them look back on TFA and like JJTrek the general consensus will be 'actually, it wasn't that good...'

 

rewatching phantom menace , theres quite a lot which is really good , yes a lot of pap but a lot of good.

debacle? utter tosh

 

I personally think JJ Abrams is a special effects whore who just wants to make things go boom. The 2 new star trek films are lots of action and special effects but very little Star Trek.

Theres little to any explaination to why only 1 ship can time travel or whats to stop the federation sending back ships to defeat the romulan ship in the first film.

In the second one the enterprise looks like a Toy been played with and a scene which was orginally a very tense fight was turned into a 10 second blaster fest where a random admirals daughter saves the ship.

They are quiet bad Star trek films and the new TV show will even ignore the world he has created.

Star Wars 7 is a updated New Hope. Full of plot holes and things that make very little sense. Pretty typical Star Wars.

If they follow the books which is what part of the story is based off then who dies next is pretty much set in stone as is how it will all end.

Id give it a 6 outta 10 and so did alot of my friends who saw it and had similar feelings about it.

 

I really enjoyed the film. Afterwards I kept thinking about loads of bits that were wrong with itr but somehow the whole was really enjoyable! Just like the originals really. The bit were they found Luke on the Skellig islands I found strange as I've been there and there was no sign of him

 

I think your getting a little to carried away with plot holes tbh.
Its a film I don't need to know that while on route to the shield array Han ate a sandwich, took a dump behind a tree and took a short nap.

That's what I hated about the prequels they had to invent things such as midichlorian's to try and explain things. Rather than people using there imagination and accepting that not all questions would be answered.

Its the first of three films hence its main job was to lay the ground work for the next two films and attract as many new audiences as possible. Therefore a story that is very similar to the originals but also with new stuff to get kids attention its been very successful.

 

What bothers me the most is the EU not canon anymore, I can't believe they erased Thrawn, Mara Jade and the solo kids. They had top notch material right in front of them and discarded it. What about my man, Kir Kanos and his arch enemy Carnor Jax? Kyp Durron, Cade Skywalker & Darth Krayt... so many great characters.

 

Unless they're just establishing in the movies what is already canon in other media. Namely the 2012 book, Darth Plagueis. As you know, Snoke is rumoured to be Sidious' master, and that book tells of his experimentation with life and death. His Grand Experiment was to use the force to create...life. There is a theory that Snoke/Plagueis has refined that Grand Experiment and Rey, like Anakin before her, is a force-birth or perhaps even a reincarnation - explaining the sabre calling to her, the vader-breathing at the start of her vision, and her elevated attunement to the force. Perhaps Snoke needs a sample of Luke's DNA to fully realize his Grand Experiment hence Luke's hermitism. Perhaps Snoke's goal is to create an empire, not with an army of stormtroopers, but with an army of vaders. In addition to giving me the weirdest boner ever that would at once be a very different trilogy but also have familiar themes, speaking to the cyclical, symphonic nature of Star Wars.