stuartpb and Nexxo argue about national pride, round ten, who's winning?

So because one farmer is having trouble finding UK employees in his area, then every UK unemployed person is beligerant and lazy>?

 

True its indicative but no more or less so than an individuals opinion, no?

 

I think Stuart needs to read "Who Moved My Cheese". It would help him understand that it's 2009 and the world is a very small place. To suggest that a tiny island past it's prime is the only game going is dangerously narrow minded. The next century belongs to the Indias, Chinas and Africas. The fact is, every job a foreigner takes in the UK, US, and EU slowly raises the standard of living of all humans. If that comes at the cost of a former colonial empire, with it's stubborn unwillingness to accept reality, so be it. After 2 centuries of espousing free access to free port and free markets, this is the result. But now, you're unwilling to live with it.

As a UK limited business, you have the luxury of hiring only British people. But anyone with any ambition knows there is a global market and that means a workforce that reflects that. Look at any dynamic city and you'll see that. If UK companies wish to compete outside the tiny market that the UK represents, then they have to adapt to that.

If you had the heart of a true British entrepreneur, you'd applaud the fact that the pay scale is lowering. Getting British workers at a lower price is a good thing for any business. To suggest that you think UK citizens should get higher wages because of their citizenship is simply wack. An open employment market is great as the competition for talent is raised, and the wage ladder is lowered. It's part of what drives a market.

And if you had the heart of an investor, you think about how your long term invest will pay off. By investing in only UK workers who already have access to good health care, education, and pensions; your money doesn't work nearly as hard as it would if you invested in those who do not have those things. In 20 years your UK investment steadies the status quo. But by giving someone the means to give the next generation access to basic education, heath care, and a stable home you can help the 3rd generation have access to even more. You investment (which was lower anyway) pay off over 20 years can be many times multiplied. But I guess keeping the status quo is more important to you.

By limiting the market to UK citizens, you do nothing except raise the wage average without seeing a significant increase in the quality or efficiency of the work force. Anyone else would have hired the polish paver. Quicker, better and cheaper. To spend more and get less slower isn't a rational business decision. It smacks of rabid nationalism and we've all seen the path that leads down. If it is allowed to flourish, then soon it will be a world of them and us. Lynch mobs will be tolerated. Pitchforks and torches will be in vogue. And in the end, the UK still won't be able to compete globally.

 

Let me try another approach that may be easier to understand. Every time I have advertised for staff, it has taken me and my wife days (and sometimes weeks) to sift through the thousands of replies we get from these adverts. I also receive almost daily emails and letter of enquiry asking if there are any psoitions availabe within my company. I get enquiries from all over Yorkshire. Now is this indicative of a lazy unemployed populace? All true and all happening on a much larger scale than just with my company. Almost every businessman I know in every reach of the UK has a similar tale to tell.

 

Out of interest what were your application volumes like in 07 when thing were "better"?

 

Well I suppose that fate is mine alone to decide. I do choose to support British industry and the British workforce. In the 5 years I have been trading it hasn't hampered my company's growth, my profits or my conciense one little bit. Yes I enjoy making money, but I also like to feel I haven't copped out in earning it. Some businessmen can and do mix ethics and business, and quite successfully, as I amongst other can demonstrate.

 

Still pretty much the same. We didn't get as many cold call vacancy enquries, but we certainly got no less vacancy applications.

I also seem to be getting a hell of alot of work agencies who specialise in providing polish workers. They are at least once a week nowadays.

 

To be honest, based on what you've written so far, I wouldn't say that about you. You're mixing nationalism and the basics of exclusion with business, and cloaking it in protectionist rhetoric. From the outside, if you call that ethics then I worry what the future holds for the UK.

Luckily enough, there is so much money involved, that the radical shift to the right that would be required to support your beliefs will never happen. That and the constant supply of nutter politicians that keep getting elected in the UK.

 

Call it what you want. My staff are happy, I am happy, my family is happy, and I earn enough for us to do things we want to do in life. What more could a humble british man ask for Also, your credibility was lost to me when you tried to play the bigot card as you are again with veiled sentences. If thats what you think then please do get it off your chest as it would save the runaround seeing as you don't live in the UK why worry your pretty little head about us lazy beligerant twats??

Notice that everyone has skirted around the questions that I raised? Haven't got the balls to answer is the truth!

 

Like it or not your policies you initially out lined (not employing foreign workforce) are racist and fall foul of the UK governments definition of racism, you later tried to defend your position but tbh your credibility is equally shot.

I've not read all your posts, you are unfortunately posting too quickly for me to keep up, so if you would not mind repeating the question.

 

Actually I would mind, and I have had enough to be honest. I give up, most of you have no intention of what I say or feel seriously and I am now bored of justifying myself to arseholes who cannot give the same courtesy I have extended to them. Not aimed at ^you^ personally, but everyone who has jumped all over my arse for daring to be proud to be British and for daring to care about the UK workforce.

 

Fair enough, later dude.

 

Maybe because you really need to get of your island and see that Great Britain isn't so great in the worldwide economy. But I don't mind that the British stick to their dated uses (imperial system, pounds,...). It makes my shopping in your country a lot more attractive and your money is worth less in the outside world. Be proud and poor! Sometimes it's better to integrate then differentiate... As with unified systems...

Keep driving on the left, keep counting in miles and pounds. I'll stick to the metric system which makes a lot more sense... We choose to be different and differences are good. You just need to cool down a bit...

 

It wasn't veiled, and I did get it off my chest. Let me ask, how many of your employees are British citizens with a non-white heritage? How many are women?

When you make statements like refusing to hire anyone non-British, whether it's meant in good patriotism or not; it's bigotry.

You take offense to the fact that there are non British workers out there taking English jobs, and that there are companies hiring then based on wage-not citizenship. and the corresponding attitude of only hiring good 'ole British blokes stems from that. I just call 'em how I see 'em.

 

Well I can't resist answering to this reply, sucker that I am. Show me exactly where I have even implied that Britain is greater than any other country. I have stated that we have problems too. So please do not try that one. I have never resorted to saying that our is better than yours or anything like it so please refrain from saying I did.

 

Actually it seems to me that everyone else is making generally rounded posts with mostly at least some "evidence" to support their arguments. It seems you're taking offence and calling some assholes because they dont support your point of view and you feel like you're being victimised for being nationalistic - it's a threat to your way of life, despite the effort you've put in to justify your position.

Please don't call people arseholes because they challenge strong patriotism. There's no black or white argument and everyone should be reminded this is a discussion - not a final solution forum.

 

So it's Ok to call someone a bigot and a racist then? Double standards to the max! Way to go Mr admin

When I called certain people arseholes, it wasn't because they challenged my opinion. It was because I have given answer after answer to the questions raised to me. Now some 'people' couldn't even acknowledge (sp?) the questions I raised and dismissed them without even replying. I stand by my comments 100%.

 

Because they're talking from outside the UK or as UK citizens abroad.

Linked in are "UK government definitions" and well worded arguments, rather than posting an image of a middle finger or resorting to foul language. They've not directed it at you, but your opinion, which can in fact be taken as racism and bigotry.

It's not a double standard - it's called toeing the line.

 

And you are entitled to them. If they were outright morally and ethically wrong, then they would have been removed. But, we don't do that, and this is a serious discussion for serious business.

 

Why is it racist to expect British jobs for british people on British soil? FFS, it's a lame excuse!! Also why is it racist to be proud of being British. Are the Russians then racist? How about the poles? Another lame excuse!!