Motors The Bit-Tech F1 2015 Thread - Season Complete

Not sure not heard anything negative as yet seems status quo. From what I understand they are staying till the end of the season then leaving.
Likely someone like Bob Bell will take over. Justin King is still in place an neither Booth nor Lowden want the team to see the team go under. I can see they will still be here next season theyve moved into a big site next to Prodrive.

In terms of how this affects me. Well I still have an interview lined up that was confirmed this week for Friday so seems OK at the moment.

 

Do you work in F1, Legoman?

 

From MK and citing an interview - seems so!

GL legoman! (We want pics of you standing outside wherever front door you end up )

I like Graham Lowdon interviews, he is always really down to earth (and his style never left the 70s/80s ). I hope he stays in F1. Hope something like the Renault investment has secured their services and they're 'moving up a notch'.

 

Suzie Wolff gone. Shame really. http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/34714704

 

Hoping to be soon interview with Manor Friday.

Also Meteschitz shooting himself again in both feet, sorry if it's a mobile link
http://planetf1.com/news/rbr-rule-out-renault-for-2016-due-to-hopelessness/

Suzie is no big surprise, it'll be interesting to see who replaces her though

 

Was always surprised that Mercedes did not offer her a reserve driver role. Instead of her been put at Williams.

RBR are in trouble nobody wants to give them a engine and it's getting later and later.

 

I guess Toto just isn't a fan of nepotism

 

Best of luck!

I read that as RBR hoping to get Bernie to pressure McLaren into allowing Honda to supply RBR, because I can't see Merc or Ferrari relenting.

I will piss myself laughing if Renault turn out a competitive engine for 2016 - unlikely, I know, but highly amusing.

 

I know the cost of designing and manufacture of engines is astronomical, but is there any other reason that RBR aren't making their own? Or am I overlooking something incredibly simple, like they need to be a commercial manufacturer to qualify?

They seem to have the technical knowhow when it comes to aerodynamics, surely it isn't such a stretch that they could poach some reputable engine designers.

 

Thanks!

Your talking a engine facility, only one available is going to be Cosworth. Engine designers are hard to come by this end of the season plus designing an building a competitive unit in time isnt going to happen. Look at Honda they are way off after a years development. OK we can blame Ron for that with his size zero packaging requirement, but still its too much to ask. Plus I honestly doubt Meteschitz would part with the money to do the investment.

 

I can imagine that looking now would be completely futile. I'm just wondering why they've not pondered the idea before, or maybe they have?

The amount of advertising money it brings in, and with how dominant they were for years, it surely would've made commercial sense.

 

Weren't there rumours at the start of last year that they were going to buy Renault out?
Didn't Red Bull engineers end up rewriting most of the software for the engine systems during winter testing in 2014 anyway?


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Isn't Newey leaving/moving on to other things? Part of me thinks their current frantic search for a new/better engine is due to their Aero guy packing his bags and moving on. No Newey = no Aero wizardry covering up the fact their engine is rubbish... [IIRC Newey spat his dummy out over the new engines when they were announced as it meant his precious aero took a back seat]

 

Ferrari stated they would only supply the 2015 spec units which the likes of Torro Rosso are very pleased with and seem to have been optimised. They wont/cent supply the 2016 units as the physically cannot make enough. It takes about 4 weeks to mill a single block so they wont actually be able to produce enough over the close season as realistically you want to arrive at the first race with four complete power trains just incase they lunch themselves.

Newey apparently has, though hes popping up randomly at races doing what he usually does wandering around with a pad an pencil. Aero is always going to be a massive thing Look at Williams compared to Lotus. Same lumps different aero (an no Pastor). Williams invariably set the top speed in traps because that car has a great low drag co efficient. sucks in turns though as it cant generate low speed downforce.

 

That perception (and Red Bull's loud proclamation of it) is a large part of why Renault is leaving.

The Renault V8 was fantastic by 2011, Renault basically re-wrote the software for it from scratch to suit the blown diffuser. Renault also mostly closed the power gap to Mercedes.

Last year Renault dreamed a very clever system of pre-fuelling up to solve the V6's cooling/power output issues. Where the engine had the ability to back up fuel between the main pump and injectors, then deploy it at higher than the max fuel flow rate without actually using more than the max flow rate at the pump.

Of course the FIA stomped on that weeks before the 2015 season started and Renault's clever idea that helped them win three races last year went up in smoke. That wasn't really their fault, Red Bull wouldn't compromise on cooling space.

 

There is an element of self-defeating at work... RBR rely on Newey's aero to cover for the Renault engine being meh, but the engine is meh because Renault are having to work around Newey's Aero, which he/RBR won't budge on... [see also McHonda... RD insisted on 'size 0' resulting in the honda lump having a tiny, underpowered turbo]...

TL-DR The problem with the RBR is not solely Renault's doing, but I think the timing of the RBR/Renault fallout is due to Newey leaving and RBR thinking their competitiveness will go with him, they can't/won't admit it so they put the spotlight on Renault...

 

RBR get an engine: http://thejudge13.com/2015/11/05/exclusive-red-bull-secure-an-engine-for-2016/

Unfortunately it's very poorly written

Didn't Danny R say that that upgraded PU was 'not worth the penalty'?
Who will manuf it?
What will TR use?

 

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Terribly worded but kind of makes sense. People I know at RBR have not seemed to bothered about all this RBR leaving stuff its been business and overtime as usual.

Its not inconceivable that RBR have basically bought under licence a PU which they will adapt with Ilien. Its a clever way round things too, means they can control they layout of the PU plus Renault cant be held responsible if its poo.