So.. You think it's coincidence that the people in government that're vocal about wanting to shut the NHS up in favour of privatisation are also the ones that're voting that way? I'm not an NHS employee, and for a long time I never went near a doctor or a hospital (Through lack of need), but it is impossible to not notice things. Like private ambulance services. Like private companies doing certain scans that the facility has capacity for. Like private porter staff. Private maintenance staff. Like the way consultancy seems to be encouraged rather than direct employment - Which, what little I know of their hourly rates, would explain why the doctor parking outside the chemo ward I spent far too many hours at had more expensive cars parked there than I've seen in one place at one time without going to a museum or a car show. The NHS is underfunded, that much is an indisputable fact. The reason it's underfunded is that certain people keep voting to keep it that way. The same kind of people that write oped pieces in whichever newspaper will pay them about how the NHS is **** and must be changed for something else. I must admit, to me, it's never really factored into a concern realm. Even when I lived in the UK, I earned enough that I'd have been alright whatever happened to the NHS. But that's not true of everyone. You've posted a lot in various threads about how you've needed government support to not have to shut your business(es?) down in this time of crisis. I somehow doubt that, were you suddenly required to, you'd be singing from the hills the praises for expensive health insurance (Because I guarantee you it'll be more than NI - And that NI wouldn't go away, or down). The NHS is in this situation because it's consistently underfunded, seemingly mismanaged, and then the people voting for lowering funding complaining that its performance is crap. That tactic is neither new, nor uncommon - Look at the USPS at the moment. Some politicians have consistently voted to shred their funding one way or another, and are now calling it an unsustainable and suggesting that private companies should do the job instead. You can claim it's all BS and the NHS isn't hurting because of MP's decisions to line their pockets rather than giving their constituents free (ish) healthcare, but you're wrong. It's slow, but it's happening. Also, it's not something exclusive to any one party, IMO.