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Storage The death of SATA SSD: Intel 660p NVMe

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by silk186, 3 Aug 2018.

  1. silk186

    silk186 Canadian

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    Bargain Alert: Intel 660p NVMe SSD Will Cost the Same as SATA SSD

    This is great news for SFF builds. I was thinking that I would go with am M.2 for OS+Apps and a SATA drive for games. If pricing is the same than NVMe is clearly the best choice in all metrics. Hopefully, we start seeming boards with more than 2 M.2 ports. Once I make the move to a new platform I will sell my ageing 830 256GB and make the move to M.2

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  2. TheMadDutchDude

    TheMadDutchDude The Flying Dutchman

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    That is superb! I am so glad to see them coming down more and more. :D

    You can't even see my SATA cables, but if I am able to get rid of all SATA drives and go to one single M.2 for no added cost, I'd be mega pleased!
     
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  3. Arboreal

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    Just looking at used 512GB PM961s and this may make me wait and buy new...decisions
     
  4. silk186

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    I expect it to shake up pricing in the new and used market.
     
  5. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    i think SATA SSDs will still have a place... but for capacity rather than speed, with them edging out smaller rust-spinners.

    So say -
    <2TB : NVMe
    2-4TB : SATA SSD
    >4TB : Spinny rust.

    Just needs the price of larger SSDs to come down a bit.
     
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  6. Wakka

    Wakka Yo, eat this, ya?

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    Aye, an ideal setup nowadays (for desktops, but especially laptops) is a nice fast 250-500GB NVMe boot drive, with a 2.5" 1/2TB SATA SSD. It's what I will be upgrading to when funds allow.

    Anything under 250GB is rather redundant now, with the install size (and bloody updates) of Windows. And games now averaging 20-30GB and most people transitioning to high quality audio and video files, 1TB doesn't seem as spacious as it once did.
     
  7. silk186

    silk186 Canadian

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    This is true right now. I expect to see 4TB M.2 drives within 1-2 years.
    Spinny rust hasn't seen much improvements in capacity which is surprising. I thought we would have 20TB drives by now.
    SATA SSD will be catching up to HDD in capacity soon.
     
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    Wakka Yo, eat this, ya?

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  10. silk186

    silk186 Canadian

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    I had not heard about such large SSDs... I'm guessing it will be around 20-30k.
    This is true, though they are never going to compete as an OS drive again. I would love a large capacity SSD that did 480MB/s and can compete with HDD on price.
     
  11. Anfield

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    £20k is probably not too far off the mark, the 2 year old 15TB predecessor of it is £8399
    Meanwhile 3x 10TB Enterprise HDDs cost about £1k, so £20k is about 20x more expensive.
     
  12. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    "Hopefully, we start seeming boards with more than 2 M.2 ports"

    Until PCI-E lanes won't be as hard to come by as they are now, this simply won't happen. And PLX priced itself out of the computer market.
     
  13. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Agrred. PCIE lane stinginess, esp from Intel, is another reason SATA SSDs won't disappear any time soon.
     
  14. silk186

    silk186 Canadian

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    Isn't AMD giving Intel pressure in this regard? Hopefully, controllers will be able to share lanes across M.2 devices as the only time you would saturate more than one drive is when transferring from one drive to another.
     
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    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    No, AMD is not giving it a pressure on Mainstream market.
    Mainstream AMD CPU (Ryzen) has 16 PCI-E lanes from CPU, 4 dedicated for M.2 from CPU. Last 4 are used for connecting the PCH, which provides another 8 PCI-E lanes.
    Mainstream Intel CPU (Socket 115x) has 16 PCI-E lanes from CPU, DMI (roughly equals to PCI-E x4) used to connect the PCH, which provides up to 30HSIO lanes, which the motherboard manufacturer then can configure to their choosing. 6 lanes are automatically used for USB, one LAN port will use one lane from that too, every SATA port will use one lane too. So that is 30 - 6 - 1 - 6 = 17 lanes available on a typical board with 1 LAN, 6 SATA. But maximum 16 of those can be used for actual PCI-E.

    So no, AMD is not pushing Intel in mainstream segment. They are pushing them on enthusiast market, but that is mostly irrelevant for majority of users. And those who buy Threadripper/Core i9 are not primary market for cheap NVMe market.
     
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    SSD disks are always the best option than HDD
     
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    Well this is just nonsense, isn't it? Say I need some bulk storage for a NAS, maybe 2TB. Do I buy a mechanical drive for maybe £50, or an SSD for £400? Tough choice.
     
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    On top of that, all the PCH lanes for current Ryzen (and Ryzen 2) PCHs are PCIe 2.0, not 3.0. There was a rumoured "Z490" PCH that would supposedly add an extra 4x PCIe 3.0 PCH lanes, though that has not yet materialised and has also been rumoured to have been killed, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     

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