{RANT} Yet another Creative MArketing Ploy to Foist this steaming pile of **** onto the masses... If only it was just the drivers that were the problem. Personally, I use a cheap M-Audio Revolution, into a Cheap Marantz (RA-971), Powering a Cheap pair of Wharfedales (Zaldek 1000's), Total system cost, about 150 quid. And you know what? It kicks the living s**t out of any 5.1 OMG Uber Creative/Logitech system anyone's ever cared to put it up against. Hell, 90% of people who hear it prefer it over my recently departed Altec Lansing ADA995 5.1's on a (Borrowed) Audigy 4 Platinum... And I'll not even begin on what my NAD setup on the same ************ speakers does... The ONLY thing I want a Creative Soundcard for, is the Livedrive, as I keep nuking Gameport-MIDI Cables... And Direct DIN-DIN connection is way handy... still, I'll only use it to feed MIDI/Sysex data through it. If you want to play Games or DVD's, feel free to play the Creative Marketing game, but if you want to listen to or Make music, then buy just about anything else... M-Audio and MIDIman all the way {/Rant} Oh, and I know I've just abused my Smilie's Quota for the next 10 years