The kid who's parents think it's cool to let their kid chose their sex.

ah yes, the public reaction to breaking convention is such a powerful way to enforce a norm. the disdain of the tribe. the problems you and yours will have by going against the grain, etc. what did whedon say in the speech about the stories with strong women characters giving people strength? especially men, was it?

there is no system of oppression greater than one which self-perpetuates.

a friend happened to tweet a cnn story today about a behavioral experiment done on a young boy in 1974 to try and curb his feminine behavorial characteristics. of particular note was the link to the published study summary. i found it at turns interesting, maddening, sad and disturbing. behavioral treatment of deviant sex-role behaviors in a male child: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1311956/pdf/jaba00060-0003.pdf
the cnn story: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/06/07/sissy.boy.experiment/index.html

 

hmm my gaydar went off- not saying it's any good but it went off not quite ted haggard but more elton john..

you can't help but laugh at some of the most ridiculous things nowdays from all nude clothing optional gay only resorts to buttsecks islands..

I mean I know strait guys have this kind of stuff too.. when you see things like this it's pure comedy imo (but at the same time real) don't ask where I find these links.. I just wanted to know (as I don't have any gay friends), is this just part of being gay

http://homoclimbtastic.com/2011/05/...ion-ever-this-time-post-rapture-july-14-2011/

I mean really?



http://triangle-inn.com/

http://www.islandhousekeywest.com/ih/

 

Gee, I dunno thehippoz. Are Hooters restaurants, calling women bitches and ho's in rap songs, porn imagery of women being aggressively subjugated by men, and rape just a part of being heterosexual male? Just asking, 'cause neither me nor any of my straight friends are that kind of men...

 

hey I'm not for any of that stuff either.. but when I was in college- some crazy stuff went down- maybe I'm looking too far into it.. but I keep getting these ads for all gay cruises and stuff in my email- wondering if anyone has ever been on any of those.. even american airlines has a discount, for just being gay

think they are called freedom miles.. there's big money in it nexxo- a lot of people being farmed here.. so it's not like a little side thing

 

Yes, there are all gay cruises. There are also all seniors cruises, all singles cruises, so on and so forth. What's your point? Also, American Airlines does not offer a discount simply for being gay. If they did, a lot more people would claim to be homosexual. They do offer promotions for certain group events, just as many airlines offer promotions for all kinds of other things. Some of the promotions just happen to be centered on LGBT events. Note the difference between "gay" and LGBT. It may seem subtle to you, but it's an important distinction. And by the way, heterosexual people are welcome to go on an all-gay cruise. You'd probably end up having a pretty good time.

Speaking of "gaydar," I can't help but notice that you openly admit to a lot of homosexual activity. Searching gay events "just because you're curious." Getting e-mails for all gay cruises (of course you have no idea why). Your odd fascination with anal sex. But hey, you're hetero. Honest, right?

 

Boys, thehippoz is free to express himself in any way he feels like, and we are not to jump to any conclusions, or judge him in anyway, mmkay?

Let us also remember, that before we go insinuating anything about anyone else, we should make sure that we are not simply projecting something that we feel about ourselves

 

That's all well and good, but my post was based on an established pattern with thehippoz. I agree that he is free to express himself as he sees fit. From what I've seen, he often reduces arguments to "buttsecks" and references to homosexuality. I'm simply calling him out (pun intended).

Consider it friendly banter between a few Bit-tech regulars.

 

By "it" do you mean teh buttsekz?

 

hmm I ask for gay opinions and supermonkey posts.. I dunno

 

Places like Hooters or pubs with topless barmaids, are just a basic development of human nature, no different to men clubbing a girl and carrying her back to the cave. Women like a bit of spontaneous carrying to the love den, they even openly talk about how they'd like to be swept off their feet - we all know what that means

There are still lots of tribes around where the women are always topless, even sometimes dancing topless at meal times or special occasions.

You see, when men go to the strippers on a bux night, they aren't being pigs, it's just the way we're wired!

 

Thjng is: people actually believe that. They do not consider that Hooters is implicitly (well, pretty explicitly, really) normalising the sexualisation of women. Example: one male staff manager got into trouble after he was caught by his (undercover) boss habitually and ritually humiliating the female staff in derogatory games. The female staff didn't like it, but they feared for their jobs so they went along with it. In any normal restaurant he would never have had the notion to try it, and staff would not have tolerated it. But this was Hooters, right? Different norms apply.

Tribal women who are topless are not being sexualised for it; there's a difference. Anyhow, aren't we supposed to be the civilised ones?

So boys will be boys. If they are not, people raised with conservative values, like thehippoz, view them with great suspicion. Gotta be gay, deviant etc. And women breaking the mold? Gotta be frigid, man-hating crazy Satanist lesbians. In one thread debating Gay Pride parades I argued that the whole of mainstream society is one big Straight Pride parade. It is also one great Male Chauvinist parade.

 

Some people do consider that Hooters is implicitly, and that men have the right to sexualize women like that. They walk out of Hooters, and treat every girl they see like that, and when they don't have the guts to tell girls what they want to say, they'll say it behind their backs.

Maybe some tribes don't consider their topless women as implicit, but those girls are definitely being sexualized, as in those girls are raised to perform all sorts of duties for the men. The same basic attitude exists with even the supposedly most civilized/posh ones.

For me both of these sorts of things exist for the same reason: disrespect
Disrespectful men, taking advantage of the weaker species, just like the guys who would club a girl and drag her back to the cave.

I imagine the gentlemen and playa cavemen, caught a rabbit, skinned and gutted it, then picked some flowers and popped them in the rabbit's mouth, and walked up to the girl he likes with this look on his face: He'd then put the girl over a shoulder, take her back to the cave, get a fire going, make a baby whilst the rabbit cooks, then they'd enjoy some yummy rabbit and then have a snooze

This is no different, to a guy acting like a big shot or just saying all the right things, at a club, bar, cafe, whatever, and then taking her back to his crib/backseat/whatever. I think I've read you post that: "we're just cavemen with ipods"


Considering things like this... shouldn't parents/guardians raise kids to be fully aware about what sort of attitudes/treatment they will have to deal with, if they do not fit into one of the sexist molds?
We're not talking about raising kids that will live in some sort of magical place like in a typical disney movie, we're talking about raising kids on earth.

I'm not saying to force the children to fit any mold, i'm just saying that the kids need to be informed, about as much as possible.

 

I saw that on undercover boss too.. what a sick guy- he walked around like kingdingaling and made the hooters girls eat chili to go home early (he probably got off on it).. what really got me was he knew it was being filmed..

the conservative values you mock so badly nexxo are the exact opposite of all that.. you have the roles switched for whatever your reasons may be.. there's been plenty of people who've changed their lives around through faith- but that's something you can't understand right now =] there's plenty of evidence there is you go looking for it

mv I don't go to hooters so I can't comment really- but in the clubs there is a lot of game going on and hooking up for nothing but sex, that I can comment on as I was single (pulls pants up and remembers fuzzy memories) once.. it's pretty cool to find a whole new network of friends, really depends on who you are..

like I found a whole network of people I would have never hung out with if I didn't go clubbing every friday night (was living in a rented house at the time with 2 other guys, with no buttsecks! imagine that)

I've seen plenty of guys who do fit that description- let's see if I can get a girl back to my place with some lies.. they think they're slick but in reality just insecure- usually can be seen right through by most girls

everyone has to make mistakes to learn.. think that's human nature to want to do it yourself- you can tell someone a thousand times your experience and it doesn't matter.. like when I was a kid remember my mom telling me not to touch the hot iron.. soon as she walked away for a second- I touched the iron to see

your right though.. we don't live in a magical kingdom

 

I agree with mvagusta (although I probably would argue that the tribal women are genderised, but that is only my pedantic way of distinguishing between sexualisation of sex and sexualisation of gender role. Then again, is there really a difference?).

@thehippoz: I do not mock conservative values any more or less than you mock homosexuality.

 

i happen to know men who like being clubbed and carried back to the den.

the point is, and i think this is what @nexxo also meant about normalization, it's considered "normal" on the one hand, but not on the other (bias). normal for what looks like a male(dominant)/female(submissive) scenario, but not for female(dominant)/male(submissive) or male/male, female/female scenarios.

we don't want LGBT people to legally marry because it has not been "normalized." when it is, we'll all shrug our shoulders and say we're wired that way. with understanding comes progress.

 

The insecure girls at clubs aren't looking for faults in the guys, they're just looking for guys that can at least appear confident, to give them approval, attention, alcohol and affection, in one way or another.

She did the right thing to tell you not to touch the hot iron, she was just too scared to let you experience it for yourself.
An easy way would be to let you feel how hot some freshly iron clothes are, and if that wasn't enough to satisfy you, then let you quickly and lightly touch the iron with a wet finger.

My wife was a bit concerned when I was teaching our crawling little bub about heat, by bringing his hand close to the oven or candles whilst saying "hot, hot,...", until he felt the heat and pulled back. She was happy when she saw he wasn't scared of blowing out candles, but knew not to touch them, or the oven. I'd finish the lesson by pretending to burn my finger, and saying "OWWWW!!!!" a ~3-4 month old baby LOLS at this, kids understand heaps at that age.
Since he had learned what "hot" meant, we could be out anywhere, and I could pretend to burn my finger on a fireplace or whatever, bub would lol, and would not want to get too close to the big fireplace.

Close I'd say that most men would like being clubbed and dragged back to a lady den of love, but not necessarily by a girl that could carry him, except maybe for school boys fantasizing about their teachers. Yes, it's not just you girls that fantasized about your older school teachers.

It wouldn't be easy having LGBT parents, because everywhere you look, cartoons, movies, shopping centers, wherever, LGBT couples are far from normal/average, they are a rare/feakish thing. Not saying LGBT couples couldn't be great parents, it's just that they probably would be in for a tougher than average ride.

 

the thing that worries me is let's say your on a cruise and your the only gay guy there.. usually you wouldn't have a problem but let's say there's some hillbillys on the boat who have a problem

the captain gives you a cabin with a broken knob.. that night you fall asleep and wake up to full metal jacket

I'm just pointing out that it's probably exactly the same scenario you risk if you go on an all gay cruise.. you see supermonkey on the cruise and he don't like you being there.. that night you don't think much about the knob on the door being busted (it's one of those long handled not the knob one)

you wake up to a prison shower scene with a big mexican dood guarding the door.. I'm just sayin

like in atlanta there's neighborhoods around moores avenue that are 100% black.. whites just don't go down there- same with all white neighborhoods in smyrna/marrieta.. I used to go down there quite often but they thought I was mexican so didn't catch too much flak (had friends there) .. I used to ride the bus from the 'black' south dekalb mall to buloxi mississippi to gamble on the weekends after work..

it was a all black bus, but cheap 15 dollar round trip.. I rode that bus for years and never saw anyone who wasn't black on those buses.. that's how segregated georgia is.. I used to catch flak at first.. guys asking me if I spoke english and generally giving me a hard time.. but you know what after I a few months.. it was all good (I remember going to the first freaknik and saw history )

one of the reasons I left atlanta, got tired of the segregation.. moving around a lot as a kid I got to see many different places.. think michigan is still the most 'evolved' when it comes to prejudice

anyways the media always tries to paint pictures of certain communities in a certain light.. like nowdays it's painted as normal to be gay.. I think if that's who you are, why should anyone else care.. reality is much different though- and the same vices strait people have with gays, you know on the flip side it's just as bad

to pretend it's only one way is pretty stupid to say the least.. I don't have any gay friends myself.. worked with a couple, but we never hung out or anything.. I was paired with a lesbian girl once in college and she seemed pretty cool- it was like talking with a dood

remember there was a canned food drive.. the only one who showed up with anything was her and a guy I knew was poor (but he was really cool- had tatooes everywhere but you could tell he really wanted something different to take care of his family.. met his wife once when they came by our place and she was just like him).. none of the rich kids brought anything.. just a small example of how I see things here

unfortunately I didn't bring anything that day either.. but we did a canned food drive every year and had just finished, talking hundreds of cans so I didn't feel too bad =]

I'm sure there's someone with experiences on a boat headed to monkey island.. that's why I was asking if anyone who was gay had been on one.. I always like to hear stories from people who've been there.. honest accounts like if your strait, do you have to sway your hips on the nudist part of the boat to avoid getting attacked from the back.. or what's it like

does the captain swing from a chandelier

 

I've never been on an all-gay cruise, but I have been to gay clubs before. It's been my experience that if you're straight, gay people don't just run up and start attacking you (for any definition of the word "attacking"). I found the gay clubs to be exactly like straight clubs. A bunch of like-minded people hang out, and if one is interested in another then he or she introduces him or herself and strikes a conversation. Contrary to homophobic fears, gay men aren't out to rape straight men anymore than straight men are out to rape gay women. That brings up an interesting question. Why do straight guys always fear being attacked by gay men, but don't mind the lesbians next door?

 

hey my backdoor only goes one way.. I was talking about a scenario where strait men are known to pick on gay men.. if anyone had experienced the other way around

ok.. let's do this scenario

your on a tropical island.. the atmosphere is great so you decide that night to go clubbing.. your in the club dancing with a girl and you see a banana sticking out of her dress

then all of a sudden 2 gay guys jump in and are grinding both sides and you can't escape.. you realize your in a drag bar or twightlight zone

that's what I'm talking about.. maybe the one you went to, the gaydar went off so you were safe

 

I think you'll find that doesn't happen as much as people think, if ever. This goes back to the whole question about homophobia, and why so many straight guys are paranoid about being jumped by gay men. All joking aside, do straight guys want to jump every single woman, or do we seek out women we think are attractive? Likewise, do gay men sit around waiting for the next unsuspecting straight guy to walk through the door, or do they prefer to approach other gay men?

Do people in one group pick on people in another group? Sure, that basic human nature. In reality, you don't have to worry about some random gay guy having his way with you. If for some reason they just don't like you (maybe they overheard you making fun of them?), then they might not be nice to you. But chances are pretty much nil that they're going to drag you off to the showers.