Other The legalities of downloading!

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  1. t4n6o

    t4n6o You know when you've been tangoed

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    I have the species box set (1-4) and i cant find the second film whether it be to lost, damaged or misplaced, can i legally download the 2nd film to replace this since i already own it?


    many thanks

    t4n6o (Andy)
     
  2. Shirty

    Shirty W*nker! Super Moderator

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    Last I checked it was a grey area. If you torrent it and upload even one bit of information then you are definitely breaking the law, not so sure where the law stands on backup though.
     
  3. t4n6o

    t4n6o You know when you've been tangoed

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    yeah, I knew it was a grey area, just wanted to find out before i did download as a friend at work said you could legally download something if you already have it and its either damaged lost e.t.c.
     
  4. rollo

    rollo Modder

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    Legally depends on ISP. If your ISP reports you for use of torrents then you could find yourself in trouble.

    Even already purchasing it is not the same as a backup.

    A backup is a copy of an already existing product that you own. If you upload 0.1kb you affectively break the law.
     
  5. wolfticket

    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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    I think morally it's a grey area, but I'm almost certain it's not legal.

    As far as I know you can legally create your own backups, but an unofficial download is distinct from any physical purchase and therefore the same as downloading it illegally whether you own it already or not.
     
  6. Jaybles

    Jaybles What's a Dremel?

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    AFAIK so long as you don't upload it you will be fine. So avoid torrents like the plague.
     
  7. t4n6o

    t4n6o You know when you've been tangoed

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    so what would you recommend excluding itunes as i don't fancy paying again for it
     
  8. Jaybles

    Jaybles What's a Dremel?

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    Torrents are not the only way of downloading data from the internet. HTTP/FTP/NNTP (Usenet) are all protocols that facilitate the transfer of data.
     
  9. Shirty

    Shirty W*nker! Super Moderator

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    Always makes me chuckle how inviting a few mates over for a beer and movie is a contravention of copyright laws, but it never stopped anyone from doing it because it's nigh on impossible to police.

    A few bits of data comprising a worse quality copy of some digital media you already own and BAM! You goin' to jail.
     
  10. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

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    You've essentially lost what you have purchased, so you no longer posses that item. Therefore I think its hard to argue that you own the copy and can legally download it. You would be standing on much firmer ground if you still had the copy in your possession but you decided to download a backup rather than rip it from the disk.
    Losing the Item in my book would be the same as gifting it to someone else or selling it off second hand, you no longer have it in your possession so you don't have any rights to it. (even if that state occurred by mistake or accident)

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought even ripping a CD you own and posses was technically illegal in the UK. Perhaps that has changed now.
     
  11. TheBlackSwordsMan

    TheBlackSwordsMan Far over the misty mountains cold

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    :-/ I must be one of the biggest criminal there is. The internet provider is my partner in crime, he provide me with illimited download.
     
  12. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    It's now legal to rip CDs/DVDs, provided you don't bypass any DRM to do so... Until the Digital Economy Act went through it was still illegal [one of the few good bits in said act...]
     
  13. Ending Credits

    Ending Credits Bunned

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    Wasn't it the record lables who said that rather than the DRE Bill?
     
  14. t4n6o

    t4n6o You know when you've been tangoed

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    its a funny thing as i rung crime stoppers the other month and they said to me that (as an example) that the police couldn't charge me if i was just downloading for myself as although its a crime its not one they get into unless i was caught selling what i downloaded.

    its a crazy funny old world we live in
     
  15. fathazza

    fathazza Freed on Probation

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    why on earth would you want to watch Species 2 for a second time?
     
  16. erratum1

    erratum1 What's a Dremel?

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    It's not the police it's the law firm working for the owners of the film.

    They get your ip then write to your isp for your name and address.
     
  17. TheBlackSwordsMan

    TheBlackSwordsMan Far over the misty mountains cold

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    One of the worst piece of junk ever put on film. :- /
     
  18. Stanley Tweedle

    Stanley Tweedle NO VR NO PLAY

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    I dunt let America control my downloads. I use ipredator VPN. Working well so far. If I like something I buy it. Not because I'm threatened with extradition to the US and life imprisonment... just because I want to give back for something I like.
     
  19. sp4nky

    sp4nky BF3: Aardfrith WoT: McGubbins

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    Can you point to the specific clause in the DEA that repeals previous legislation that made this illegal? I've had a look and can't find it.

    What I did find was a report in the NME from December 2012, where Vince Cable was talking about it still being "planned" for some time in the future. Since the DEA hasn't had any amendments since July 2012, I think it's still illegal.
     
  20. theshadow2001

    theshadow2001 [DELETE] means [DELETE]

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    lmao

    With one foul swoop you have managed to make any high falutin arguements about piracy and morality completely irrelevant to the situation.
     

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