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Discussion in 'General' started by Gareth Halfacree, 7 May 2015.

  1. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Picked up a knock-off Docter red-dot from China for £20. Very impressed - even the ambient light sensor works, adjusting the brightness of the dot automatically (though the dimmest setting is perhaps a little *too* dim.) Stuck it on the MP5 to try it out:

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    Apologies for potato-like quality of pic, 'twasn't the brightest room!
     
  2. Almightyrastus

    Almightyrastus Rule #9

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    The quality of the knock off holo and red dot sights coming out of China has really improved in recent years. To get anything really decent a few years ago you were looking at 4 to 5 hundred pounds, now you can pick up something similar for a tenner off Aliexpress. They are certainly perfect for the low to no recoil of airguns, of course they might not cope with full bore stuff but still.
     
  3. [ZiiP] NaloaC

    [ZiiP] NaloaC Multimodder

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    What have I not done in ages? Proper target shooting!

    Swapped out the red-dot for the 9x40 scope and re-zeroed it in.

    The setup (35m range):

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    The Results...

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    Group 1: Top-right, aiming at the 3-ring. Off by a good bit.

    Group 2: Top-left, adjusted in the wrong direction, aiming for the 3-ring on the left. Way off!

    Group 3: Mid-upper-left, adjusted properly, aiming for the 3-ring, middle. One fly, others getting closer!

    Group 4: Far-right, aiming for the 5-ring, adjustments made, getting closer.

    Group 5: Far-left, aiming for the 3-ring centre line, smaller adjustments, getting closer again.

    Group 6: Far-left-lower, aiming at the 3-ring, shooting a little high.

    Group 7: Far-right-lower, aiming for the 3-ring, pretty much there!

    Group 8: Centre-mass, all within the black!

    Final test: Put 25 rounds all in the black...

    Result:

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  4. Arboreal

    Arboreal Keeper of the Electric Currants

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    Is that a 10/22? I'm applying for my FAC next month (waiting for land permission forms) and a 10/22 is top of my list of semi auto .22 LR rifles
     
  5. [ZiiP] NaloaC

    [ZiiP] NaloaC Multimodder

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    It is indeed a Ruger 10/22.

    Standard stock, no modifications other than the bipod and suppressor.

    I was getting rid of the remaining Winchester ammo (it's utter dirt) and getting the my CCI stash (sub-sonics).

    CCI is the best ammo that I've come across.

    I will never buy Remington ever again.
    Eley make the chamber unbelievably filthy, but shoot true.
    Winchesters usually give a 1 in 10 misfire and tend to tumble badly at ranges over 100m.
    Never had a single problem with CCI (sub- or super-sonic) and are extremely reliable.

    I did spend far too much time last weekend ogling the Ruger Precision Rifle, but I just can't justify the cost of the rifle, never mind the ammunition costs.

    Very much want to get my hands on a newer scope. Nothing fancy, maybe just a Hawke Vantage with a mildot sight (4-12x40mm).
     
  6. Arboreal

    Arboreal Keeper of the Electric Currants

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    Thanks, good to know it'll shoot well out of the box. Your last grouping looked impressive to say the least.

    My neighbour up the road has one with a couple of stocks, and I went into the local gun shop who had new and used; allegedly the new post '16 ones have better barrels, but still benefit from the trigger being refined and maybe a bolt mod.

    You've resisted the infinite number of addons and mods then?!? I looked at some of what you can get for the 10/22 and was flabbergasted by the sheer volume of stuff :eek:

    Interesting to know about the ammo, I haven't shot for years and the last lot I used in Dad's .22 was Eley. CCI here we come - well after the (min) 3 month application time...
     
  7. Krikkit

    Krikkit All glory to the hypnotoad! Super Moderator

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    Out of interest what's the range on a .22 like? 200m?
     
  8. Zak33

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    Ah... a gun thread :), what a nice surprise :)

    In my armoury are 2 air rifles and 3 shotguns:

    HW80 classic left handed stock .177 (from my childhood a v long time ago) Venom Lazaglide with a 6x40
    Air Arms TDR in .22 with a Hawke 4-12x40 Panorama etched reticule
    Lanber Super 12 bore...my Spanish old girl
    Mossberg .410 Pump with large silencer... comes out of the cabinet more than any other gun, truly a masterpiece
    Armsan 3 shot semi 20 bore (which is consistently not reloading unless I use large loads)
     
  9. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Y'see, I nearly bought a TDR as my first PCP, but was swayed by the extra shot count of the S410 Classic. Lugging the S410 to and from the range on foot, though, I wish I'd gone TDR now!
     
  10. Arboreal

    Arboreal Keeper of the Electric Currants

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    From what I remember, about 100m for shooting small game, and useful out further if you have a good set up and you're practiced! The 'Dangerous range' on the ammo boxes is usually a Mile...
    After 100m the velocity does drop off and the trajectory goes off fairly quickly IIRC. Your 200m would be pushing it I think.


    Good stuff, Zak. Never seen a semi in anything other than 12 bore; that must be quite a neat and light bit of kit.
    As to the quiet .410, I've heard great things about them. I have a side by side .410 which was out for rook shooting recently, but a silenced pump would have been even better.
     
  11. [ZiiP] NaloaC

    [ZiiP] NaloaC Multimodder

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    I've seen some videos on Brandon401 youtube channel where he's shooting at about 200 - 300 yards (274.32 Metres) and still getting all the shots on-target on a 12" steel plate.

    I've pushed mine to just a hairs-breadth over 120m and had a perfect zero, being able to pick off twigs off a small branch.

    The guy that runs my main supply shop has said that he has others who use the 10/22 and they have different experiences with ammunition. Others get better results with Winchester rounds than I do.

    I've tried the main .22 LR rounds that are available to me and CCI comes out on top by a long stretch!
     
  12. Zak33

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    The thing with my Mossberg silnced 410 pump is that I use it exactly the same way as I use an air rifle.

    It's full choke (no surprise there, it's got a blummin great silencer on), and its a tight group. I stalk in exactly the same way as I do with an air rifle. Full camo and slow, camping likely trees etc..

    But the moment it's shot time, the choices open up immensely. If I spook something and it moves... it's shot time. If it never quite settles... it's still shot time. If a head shot is obscured by twigs... it's shot time.

    and best of all, i can take follow up shots on the next target even if it's moving.

    I love my Mossberg very much.

    but it's LOOOOOONG. It doesnt' swing easily...

    I have hit a flying pigeon with it.....but it's not a 12 or 20 by any means! It's like swinging a scafolding pole and shooting a narrow beam of lead!

    the mechanism for pumping is divine. I can drop a cartridge in from any angle on the side and it always aligns. It's a genius thing.

    but the 20 bore Armsan is a lot more fiddly. I got it cheap second hand from a good friend who also had reload issues on lighter loads, so I'm not surprised, but what SHOULD be the perfect squirrel blaster, isn't quite reliable enough.

    One of the tricks is to clean the reload tube but NOT oil it. I though oiling the tube would help, but the gases from the two tiny holes in the barrel that force the reload, stick to gun oil and clog it up in a few shots.
     
  13. [ZiiP] NaloaC

    [ZiiP] NaloaC Multimodder

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    Sorely tempted to get myself a new scope, with slightly higher magnification.

    Trying to decide between a couple of Hawke options:

    Hawke Vantage 4-12x50

    or

    Hawke Vantage 4-12x40

    One is tailored for .22 subsonics with the drop marked in the reticle, the other is just a standard Mildot.

    Thoughts?
     
  14. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    I'd go for the tailored one, personally - should make life easier!
     
  15. Zak33

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    Do you need a 50mm?

    If it sits way higher on the mounts, which it will have too, will you benefit from a better cheek weld? If you've got a long neck, of if you always feels you're pulling your face down to align with a 40 then go for it.

    But if not, stick with 40mm. Although they make superb scopes across the range, I'd always go lower lense size now. I've done the big arse glass.. and sold it all.

    If the magazine on PCP's didn't stick up so far, I'd have got a 3-9x32 last time tbh.
    Having said all that, I'm not a rimfire boy, so I'm living in the 40 m world.
     
  16. [ZiiP] NaloaC

    [ZiiP] NaloaC Multimodder

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    I've gone for the tailored one, but thinking about it now (it's only on order, not paid yet)... the reticle is zeroed for full zoom, meaning that if I'm at any lower magnification, those points aren't worth diddly squat. Am I wrong in that assumption?

    Maybe it's better to just go with a standard mildot, I can adjust my aim based off the distance then.
     
  17. MLyons

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    You have a legit IRL MP5? :eeek: As someone interested in guns but never looked into actually owning one due to circumstances out of my control I didn't think you would be allowed one in the UK. What are the laws like for ownership and shooting location? Like are you allowed to shoot on your own property?
     
  18. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    No, it's a licensed Umarex air-rifle replica - fires .177 steel BBs and is powered by CO2!
    You can own MP5-style .22LR rimfires on a Section 1 Firearms Certificate, but they're all (obviously) semi-automatic (because fully automatic would be a Section 5 firearm). They're pretty cheap, though: here's a GSG MP5-style .22LR for £325.

    Note the 'silencer': that's actually a shroud hiding an extended barrel to meet the minimum legal length. You'll see the same in GB-legal 'long barrel pistols', which also have a daft coathanger hanging off the grip as a 'stock' again to meet minimum length requirements. (I say "GB legal" 'cos in Norn Iron you can buy a .22LR pistol without a long barrel or coathanger under Section 1, whereas it's a Section 5 in the rest of the UK.)
    It's a .22LR, so standard .22LR rules apply: you have to have a valid reason for owning one, and if your reason is "target shooting" then you can only shoot it at a Home Office approved gun range. If your reason is "pest control" - and you somehow manage to convince your local Firearms Officer that a .22LR MP5 is the best option for that - then you can shoot it on any land over which you have shooting rights and which has been approved for that calibre.

    My air rifle one, though? Fine for back-garden plinking, or it would be if I had a back garden...
     
  19. MLyons

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    "Yes officer that 50cal was the only thing that would get the job done"
    "What did you need it for"
    "Spiders officer, very spooky spiders"
    "carry on"

    So if i own it for target shooting and use it for target shooting at approved gun ranges i can't then legally shoot targets in my own garden.
     
  20. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Absolutely not, unless you get Home Office approval for a range in your garden.

    S'worse in Scotland: even an air rifle needs a Section 1 certificate, and you're absolutely forbidden from using them for plinking in your garden. Yes, even weedy ones like my MP5.
     

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