Cooling The ultimate Watercooling setup

Right - I am after the ultimate water cooling kit...

when I say ultimate - I mean ultimate!

Money is no object here - I dont care how much it costs, it just needs to be l33t.

As for size, I am starting off with a completely unmodded Silver Dragon Full tower (figuerd I would mod round the cooling, see?)

I want to be cooling the CPU (AMD XP 1600+) and the GFX card (Abit GF3) in a KR7 mobo), and what do you peeps think about the chipset?

Bear in mind this thing still has to be portable, its gonner be orf to Lan parties and the like...

I am gonner need prices and places, preferably in the UK, but money aint no object... so USA is an ok choice too...


The power shall be supplied by a spiffy Enermax 550W psu, and I was thinking about purchasing the Dual PSU shroud for my case, and using my current 330W psu as the peltier/pump power supply.

Bring it!

 

you should prolly start here for info as they make a nice setup: http://www.dangerden.com/

 

Ideally, I want your oppinions as to the best kit

 

As far as the best kit.... I can't realy offer an opinion for the fact that I make all of mine by hand from scratch and have yet to see any "kits" to beat it!! If you want to have a good rig that you know inside and out, so to speak, then I would say do the same! It realy is not all that hard!! No pre fab kit will offer everything you want/need and the 2 main factors are performance and apperance. Ones that look realy good rairly offer extream proformance and same goes for proformance, they don't always look good. Now... you can make a kit of your own!! shop arround and collect all the parts you need! Read the reviews and judge for your self! Hell, if you want I will custome build one for you if you want...I LOVE to build WC systems....it is a passion! and will still cost less than almost any kit at the same proformance!! Anyways... take others opinions/guides/reviews and experiences into consideration and mod away!

 

I've never built a watercooled PC but I've done some research on it though.

Waterblock (Choose 1 of 3):
www.dangerden.com - Maze2 (Water runs through a copper maze basically)
www.dtekcustoms.com - Spir@l (Water runs through a spiral-like shape and also has an acrylic top to see water running through. Looks very nice with fluorescent dye.)
www.leufkentechnologies.com - (PEL-BLOCK/Component Fluid Injector - New kind of watercooling which makes direct water contact with the CPU/Peltier instead of copper or aluminum. It looks promising but I don't know if anyone has tried it yet. It also looks like it's made of aluminum so be sure to buy some corrosion prevention fluid such as Water Wetter or something similar if you want to use with other copper watercooling supplies.)

Radiator:
www.caseetc.com - Big Mama/Black Ice (Well these are specifically made for PC watercooling and it seems that many people buy these, although I'm not very sure how radiators differentiate in performance other than the amount of surface area.)
www.dangerden.com - Take your pick, there are about 5 there.

Pump:
www.caseetc.com / www.dangerden.com - Eheim pumps, take your pick. I think the more GPH, the better. Also with these inline pumps, you don't need any reservoir.

Peltier/TEC:
www.dangerden.com - 120w-172w versions, don't buy the ones under because they won't be able to handle the heat put off buy AMDs. I believe this part is optional, but I think this can put your watercooling rig into subzero temperatures. However, if you do decide to use this procedure, don't forget to buy some closed cell foam Neoprene because condensation is probably sure to occur if you're in subzero temperatures.

Cold Plate:
www.caseetc.com - Yeah, just the plain copper ones that almost everyone uses. Silver doesn't show that much of an improvement anyway. (I think)

Miscellaneous:
Tubing: Preferably 3/8" made of silicon. Maybe 5-7 feet or more.
Hold Downs/Clamps: Well, I would prefer the ones that use the motherboard mounting holes as that is the safest procedure.
Anti-corrosion: Water Wetter, don't know of any other
GPU/Chipset blocks: Get some at DangerDen, I don't really think you need that but hey, it's your choice.
Hose Clamps: Er, do I really have to explain this?
TIM: AS2 or AA, uh, obviously?
Fans: Can't forget to cool down the radiator now can we? I'd get some Panaflo 120mm H1As and run them at 7v if I were you.

Ooor... buy the prebuilt kits at DangerDen.

 

yea the stuff in the above post is good. btw u have to mount threw the motherboard if u want good cooling with a tec. they need alot more force put on them then the regular clips can handle. oh as for the pump unless ur going straight up like 12 feet (sorry im american imagine a normal man is 6 feet) then u dont really need a pump that will do more then 200gph

 

yes but higher flow rate means lower temps in blocks

 

Is what I think weazel is trying to say is that yes, the faster the water is flowing, the cooler things will get, but only to a certail extent. If the water is flowing too slow then it will sit in the block too long and tmps will not get that low, but if the water is moving too fast, then the water will not have suffecient time to cool in the radiator which again leads to higher temps than what you would expect!

As for what I think havoc was unaware of (or it sliped his mind) is that no you do not need a 1000 gph pump but you do need a good one. To do this mathmaticly, Each block will take an average of about 3-5% away from the flow rate and with the realy porly designed block it gets even worse, radiators will generally take off another 5-10% and sometimes more, one thing that adds up is the tubing connectors and change-overs...each one will take an additional .2-.75% and some larger change-overs will take 1%+!!

Ok...lets do the math on this using a 200gph pump under full load (all pieces hooked up)!! Now remember when doing this you start at the pump output and follow the system all the way through!!

200-.2%=199.6-3%=193.61-.2%=193.22-.2%=192.83-5%=183.19-.2%=182.82-.2%=182.45gph

That is a 17.55 gph loss and that can hender the cooling alot! This with with only the pump, block & radiator....nothing else!! Now you do not have to get this mathmatical about it but I do this to about everything...I love math (f**king geek huh) Now not every system will give these results, there is about a 5gph varience in this equation so don't take this to heart, just into consideration!

 

Sh!tzor! I was thinkging about going...

Pump
Rad
CPU waterblock
Rad
GFX waterblock
(maybe) Chipset
(maybe) Res
Pump

 

yea basicly 200gph wuz just a example i run the Eheim 1250 in all my systems (its 315gph) thats more then enough. i just didnt want this guy going out and buying say a 600gph pump when theres no point, thats way to fast for almost any system.

btw usualy u go pump ---> radiator ---> waterblock ---> any other block ---> then it starts back at the pump

 

isnt it:

waterblock --> Rad --> res --> pump? or not?

 

usally goes pump>rad>waterblock>rez ... but that's just my opinion

 

Wat I mean is adding a 2nd rad - I have more than ample space to do this.

And after all, this is the ultimate cooling setup were going for here!

Current Plans are:

Maze2-2 waterblock from the dangerden
Copper Chipset cooler with topface barbs from the dangerden
600Gph Eheim pump & reducer from the dangerden
2x Low Pressure drop coolers
2x 80w peltiers from the Dangerden (I would go for dual 172w, but a, thats gonner need supercooling, and b, I cant find any PSUs that supply 24v @ 23amps (in other words its gonner take 2 PSUs for the cooling)
10ft of 3/8" tubing (always handy to have spare)
20 tube clamps
T junction
20 right-angle Elbows
1 big ass chunk of neoprene

/\ thats the ultimate, but I think I will start small and work up.

Maze2-1
Copper chipset cooler
317GPH Eheim pump & reducer
Cooling Cube
80w Peltier
10ft 3/8" tubing
20 cable clamps
T Junction
20 right-angle Elbows
1 Big ass chunk of neoprene

Whaddya think so far?

btw, any of you know where I can that GF cooler that mon designed - you know the one, he supposedly got a load of ref cards for his design from NVidia - I might have to make one otherwise

 

That GF cooler is available from cool-computers .

 

that's bladerunner on www.tekforums.co.uk ....

don't know where they sell the deisgn now, but he will cos he send some to some companys so they could make more..

if not someone will over there will know,ask jessfm or big steve , they'lll know

 

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetnessssssssssssssssss

Thx Bradford010

 

Rightnow, my minimum kit:

Maze2-1
Copper chipset cooler
317GPH Eheim pump & reducer
Cooling Cube
80w Peltier
10ft 3/8" tubing
20 cable clamps
T Junction
20 right-angle Elbows
1 Big ass chunk of neoprene
GF3 Cooling Kit

Is looking like £300 - not too shabby for being able to say my pooters better than yours

 

As for the order of my system, the rad is last ,but it is a different design (double coil) that I designed myself, 2 80mm fans and a tec on a cold plate with finns in the resi to chill the water just befor the sub-pump sux the water into the system. It is a unique disign and I will be writing a guide on how to build one as soon as I get a new camera!!

 

Yeah they got a few nice looking bits on there. If you wanna see more on the card cooler, bladerunner's writeup on project stealth is currently at Duckman's Wild Page .
Plus, further additions to the setup which haven't made it into the article yet can be found here
Now THAT, my friend is the ultimate water cooling setup!

 

yeah i really want one of those bombs ... trouble is . student keep moving about and .. no garden ..can't really dig through concrete .... dammm ..i'm after the same silent cooling .. but just using rads at the mo.. crap ..... can't really get water temps to 14c and lower in a room that's 22c unless i use fans ... nighmare .. ain't doing that ... ... oh i saw psu watercooling walkthrough on tekforums ... that's the only 1 i was unsure about doing, but i know i'm sorted now, after talked to the blokes over there and confusing the hellout of them, i never make much sense??? .. just need some copper to make some blocks for it

oh bladerunners got his own site up now at www.zerofanzone.co.uk ...