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The Unofficial Hard Drug Discussion Thread.

Discussion in 'Serious' started by DivineSin, 17 Jan 2006.

  1. ou7blaze

    ou7blaze sensational.

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    Sorry I kind of wanted to say what you said but just said it in a really complicated and dumb way :p

    I wonder how I could get some of this stuff in Hong Kong...

    As for it being illegal the only place I can think of it being prohibited is Australia strangely...
     
  2. specofdust

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    ou7blaze, might wanna read through the thread before posting mate, so far you've said stuff thats been said before :)
     
  3. ChromeX

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    Dont we have a thread similar to this? Anyways heres my experiances

    LSD: Only took this once and that was enough, I dont know people managed to do this **** in the 60's day after day :S personally I feel LSD is too unpredictable theres no control, and if things dont go your way your trapped in your mind for a few hours. If you develop circular thoughts your in for a rough time. Now theres plenty of people out there saying LSD is good stuff each to there own, but if ya gonna do it do it somewhere safe and familier. And read up before hand so you can plan if anything goes wrong!!

    Ecstacy: Wow now that was fun!!! When the pills start to kick in its an experiance like no other!! I have to say im a big fan of ecstacy in that, its certainly a freeky feeling but not to the point of totally screwing you over like LSD or shrooms can. Just keep you self hydrated and rest between dancing like a loony and you'll get through it. Ecstacy deaths are very rare but they do happen, from what i've read most of these deaths stem from the fact the pills have been laced with some dangerous chemical.

    Cocaine: Hmmm bit of an odd one this, the effect was short lived probably as strong as E but i'd avoid it. Alot of people develop cravings which leads to addiction :S probably best to stay safe and leave it. Not to mention many an unscruplous dealer might mix it with something else...

    Shrooms: Hehe I remember once at a party me and my mate took some really strong ones, as I remember I wanted to jump into the floor cos the pattern was pretty :p! You'll experiance all kinds of strange things, hightened awareness of colour, sound, movement and self! The last one is a strange thing in deed, its hard to explain but at the same party my mate could be quoted as saying "ITS ME!!!! ITS F***ING ME!" again, with any psychoactive drug try to do somewhere safe, quiet and familier incase things dont go to plan!

    I posted http://www.erowid.org in the other thread, because its the best site I know of. Guys I cant stress enough the importance on reading up before hand. Drugs can be fun, thats the point, but they can also be dangerous! I guess you gotta show some respect, in retrospect I wish I did on many an occasion so listen to the voice of a lil experiance and stay safe!
     
  4. JCG

    JCG What's a Dremel?

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    Extacy: The only time i've taken it was with Thunderdome 10 th aniversary (massive rave party). It was great, expect for the hangover that lasted for 4 days. A bit too long for me, so i never did extacy again.

    Speed: Don't like it, only felt hyper and couldn't sit still.
     
  5. Idioteque

    Idioteque Telephasic Mongoose

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    Speed: well... I snorted some base, which is a 'deluxe' methamphetamine, about 22 hours ago... I'm glad there's no comedowns of yet... but for a first time it's lasting particularly long. Anyone else agree? BTW I only snorted half a gram....

    It was fun while with mates... putting on some good music... having random arm wrestles to see when it kicks in... then it hit me; cue huge pupils, incredibly dry mouth and bizarre amounts of energy.

    That was at least 12 hours ago... Think I've taken a little much? cos the effect werent as bad as the other guys that were there... I mean my teeth clenched when i wasn't paying attention to them, but they werent grinding like one of me m8s... I was incredibly chatty... man did i talk a whole load of bollocks, at least it wasn't cocaine's arrogant bollocks.

    All I know is that for 25 quid, 2 and a half grams is a bargain.

    BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SLEEP SOON!

    Oh well... study leave is on the 15th of May methinks, it'll be good for then. hehe.... late night revision...
     
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  6. loops

    loops What's a Dremel?

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    hmm, hard drugs, or soft drugs for that matter my simple line would be keep away kids!
    They mess with your head, and not just while your taking them in some cases, cocaine for example can cause long term damage including paranoia and other such nice mental instabilities for a long time after you stop using.
    I have the personal opinion that anyone who needs drugs to get them through something ( feeling better on a night out to complete dependence) or feels the need to take drugs in order to make themselves better, must have some kind of instability, whether it be emotionally or something more serious to start with, adding a load of chemicals to it and making your brain incontrollable squish surely cant help
     
  7. Ramble

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    Personally I'd never dream about taking any drugs.
    In my opinion, people take drugs to counter any shortcomings in their own personality, which, is only something a sad person would attempt.
     
  8. Nexxo

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    Just wait for the come-down...

    loops and Ramble are right. Anyone who needs drugs is compensating for a psychological deficit (usually the ability to self-regulate emotion with internal psychological resources). The degree of addiction is more or less equal to the degree of difference in emotional state that it manages to generate.

    In this context, I can't help but think of the novel "Vurt" by Jeff Noon. He describes a world in which drugs literally transport you to a parallel universe of virtual reality, the "vurt", where fantasy and nightmare are very real. He mentions the "Hobart constant": when you take something back with you from the vurt, it has to be replaced by something of more or less equal value from your own, real world. The value is that which people ascribe to it. You take something big enough, you may lose a loved one in exchange...

    It's a nice metaphor. For every ephemeral experience you get from drugs, something real has to be sacrificed. Every high comes at a price. The more you take from your virtual existence, the more real life you lose in exchange. Be careful. Be very, very careful. This ride is not for the weak.
     
  9. specofdust

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    Of course, but what about people who want drugs, but don't need them. Obviously people who need alcohol have a problem, but are people who want alcohol, say, a couple of glasses of wine on a friday night, are they making up for psychological deficits? Methinks no, and its important to remember, that not everyone who takes illegal drugs, turns into a needle wielding junkie who desperately needs their next fix.

    I must say I find the opinion that only flawwed people would take illegal drugs, coming from people who generally are fine with alcohol*, rather ill thought out.

    *I'm not saying you are ramble, I don't know, but most people who have your POV are
     
  10. Ramble

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    That's a valid point, however, I'd say that most people who want their drugs have a physical addiction (especially with the hard core drugs). Also, the problem with alcohol, is that's it's not as hard core and extreme as a patch of LSD, indeed, having some alcohol is generally beneficial, however, having a few tablets of E is not.

    The only drug which I endorse is medicinal drugs, and even then, I generally don't take anything more dangerous than Calpol (it tastes nice...).
     
  11. specofdust

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    Again true, but the idea that most drug takers are addictees is one I disagree with. While that may be true for some of the hardest drugs, crack, heroin, nicotine etc. Drugs like E and Acid/LSD aren't addictive, so with many drugs it simply must be the case that the majority of users are not addicted, they simply choose to take these drugs.
     
  12. acron^

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    Canabis: Me and my mates made a cake every wednesday, every week of the summer holidays and it was some of the best times of my life. If taken in a safe environment, with your mates around you, and i've gotta say ingested - smoking is just nasty, no matter what it is - then it can be a fantastic recreational drug. Tried to make my own cake once up at Uni and totally whited out. Not a nice experience.

    Salvia: I have taken a couple of times and I'm still undecided. It's exciting at the time and really really odd but it leaves you kinda shell shocked. I wouldn't take more than one hit a day.
     
  13. :: kna ::

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    I disagree with this, however only due to the fact that I agree with Nexxo's interpretation of why people use any drug. All drugs make up for something in someone's life. For me, when I go out and drink properly it's because I enjoy being drunk and it deals with a couple of social phobias I have, yes.. it enables me to have a better time than if I was sober.

    However, due to the fact I've drunk so much over the years, I've become accustomed to the taste of certain beers and I actually enjoy a glass at home. I'm not trying to get drunk, I just like the taste of a cold one. Also one beer does not have a dramatic effect on your consciousness. If it didn't taste like badgers piss, I'd drink non-alcoholic lager at home.

    Therefore as a drinker I can state a case against harder drugs quite comfortably.

    However, you can't become accustomed to the taste of E's, cocaine or heroin. People who do 'hard' drugs are doing it for the hit alone and due to that are far more likely to get addicted, unlike alcohol and to a degree smoking/cannabis, there is no benefit to taking it for any other reason.
     
  14. Nexxo

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    Ah, yes. But the line between want and need is rather fuzzy and thin. People may want a few glasses of wine on a Friday night, but if they start to feel decidedly unhappy when they can't have one, then they are starting to edge towards dependency. If people feel they cannot relax, unwind or socialise without it --that's dependency. a lot more people are there than you'd think.

    Sometimes, after a hard day I really could do with a glass of wine --for me that is a good enough reason not to have it. Enjoy it, but don't need it.
     
  15. Mary Jo

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    Your sister's friends must have been very unlucky. In the UK, on average, around 30 people die from MDMA every year. Perhaps they either had a bad batch or they were taking something entirely different. Thousands of people use the drug without dying every weekend. The main issue is overheating - which can be fairly easily regulated by drinking the right amount of water throughout the night. Long term use in not advised though - it messes your brain.

    Absolutely - that's fairly obvious. If everybody was able to feel exactly the way they wanted all the time, there would be no need to take drugs, but realistically, that's not the way of the world. Most people want a drink at the end of a hard week to make them cheerful. Similarly, drug users want to take x drug when they feel it'll alter their psychological state to their advantage. It's only a minority of folk that need to use drugs to physically get through the day.


    On a slightly different issue: I feel that all drugs (heroin, cocaine etc.) should be legalised. There's so many benefits - crime would be pretty much wiped out, billions of pounds of tax would be made, it would be regulated and thus safer. Although I don't quite have the time at the moment to go into this more.


    Edit:
    I though I'd add this link in.
    http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/
    It's a very good informational site on drugs that might be useful to people while we're discussing this.
     
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  16. Strategy

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    Site your source! Otherwise don't talk trash! www.bluelight.ru/vb - drug harm and reduction website.

    Half of the replys in this thread make my sides split. Clearly, stick to IT, and refrain from the "my mate died on XXXX" comments.
     
  17. Nexxo

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    145 people died of using MDMA in England and Wales in the period of 1997 to 2001. That puts the annual death rate at 36.25 (drugscope.org.uk)
     
  18. Strategy

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    That doesn't account for actual MDMA though. Only "pills sold as xtc". With the likes of PMA pills, other cuts and extra's they throw in. Actual deaths from MDMA are very few. I'd put it down to well less than 5 a year.

    Same gist from a family member whom works in toxicology. But meh, whatever you do and however much you do. stay safe! :thumb:
     
  19. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Yeah? Now I want you to quote a source (not "my mate the toxicologist" --that is just as bad as "my mate died from using XXXX").
     
  20. ajack

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    Castlemaine is potentially lethal? :eeek:
     

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