Windows The Windows 10 Thread

Discussion in 'Software' started by impar, 30 Sep 2014.

  1. impar

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    Greetings!

     
  2. impar

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    Greetings!

     
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  3. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Uninstalled KB3035583 and deleted all references to GWX, thanks for the heads up impar.

    Why do Microsoft insist on hiding updates intended to facilitate future upgrades and advertising them via popups from a tray icon?
     
  4. wolfticket

    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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    If Windows 10 is free then it's effectively an optional update (a la 8.1).
    In which case I don't see the problem in getting the files that allows you to optionally update to 10 as an optional update.
    And moreover, if you have download & install optional updates automatically on, why you would be worried about getting an optional update. Automatically.
     
  5. Krazeh

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    That's what MS what you to think...
     
  6. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Optional would be something that's left to choice; not compulsory or automatic.

    I wouldn't consider an update that does little more than installs adware and lists it's self as an important update to be either not compulsory or not automatic. Windows doesn't install optional updates automatically, it doesn't even install recommended updates automatically unless you tell it to.

    Have you ever considered that not everyone may want to upgrade to Windows 10?

    Some people, myself included would consider KB3035583 to be akin to "an adware/PUA/PUS/PUP for Windows 10 upgrade."
     
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  7. wolfticket

    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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    Since it will be free I would suspect 8.1 to 10 will be an update that is recommended by Microsoft, like 8 to 8.1 was.
    So this, by enabling you to update, would fall under recommended updates in that case.

    If you don't want to upgrade/update to 10 I'm sure preloading a small installer and showing pop up to tell you a free upgrade/update is available won't make you.

    Adding files through an already optional recommend updates service that inform you of and allow you to install an optional free update to an OS you already use is hardly adware.
     
  8. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    But we aren't taking about the update to Windows 10, we are talking about the supposedly important update (KB3035583) that installs software to advertise and nag customers into upgrading to Windows 10.

    While a small installer showing popups to tell you about a free upgrade/update won't make you update, it's annoying to say the least much in the same way as popup adverts on websites are. And that's ignoring the fact that this small installer is going to phone home possibly to update it's self much in the same way as other types of unwanted software.

    And despite it initially being an optional recommend update it would seem Microsoft have changed it to an important update, anyone who has left Windows to automatically download and install updates (heaven forbid) is going to have this nagware forcibly installed.
     
  9. Krazeh

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    While it will undoubtedly tell people that Windows 10 is available, how do you know it's going to 'advertise and nag'? How do you know it won't be possible to simply tell it you don't want to update?
     
  10. Corky42

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    Based on the words used in the config.xml i would say that exactly what it's going to do, whether or not you will be able to tell it you don't want to upgrade and it will never bother you again who knows, but i would say based on past experience that's unlikely.
     
  11. Krazeh

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    Because it says 'Advertisement'? That's quite a leap to assume it's going to start throwing popup ads onto your screen and incessantly nagging you to upgrade...

    I'm not sure how this supports the belief that it won't have an option to tell it to leave you alone?
     
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    You want to stick with Windows 8 after all? I knew you'd come around. :D
     
  13. IvanIvanovich

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    Curious it mentions Server 2012 R2 as well... makes me wonder if they will be pushing a 'free' update for the server platform too. If that is the case I am curious to why 2012 (not R2) is also not mentioned as it would be very unkind for those of us that happen to have it missing out.
     
  14. Corky42

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    So Tray Icon, Advertisement, AdWindowSizes, Reservation Page and 15 different sections on how and when to display particular items doesn't lead you to believe that KB3035583 is intended to perform in a similar fusion as the warning people got about the end of support for XP? My guess would be that if it didn't you would be in the minority.

    No one said that it wouldn't but going on the information available i would say there's a strong possibility that even if you tell it not to remind you that won't be the end of it, what with it setting up 3 scheduled tasks to run everyday at 20:00 and another to run every time you log on.

    [​IMG]

    Along with an event log specifically created for GWX.

    I'm still rocking DOS :rock:
     
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    Will win10 come as 'simple' update for win7?

    Will I be able to hide the win10 update until I'm ready to install it?

    If I do a clean windows re-install in the future, presumably I'll have to do a win7 install first and then update to win10, right?

    nb: please forgive me for not trawling through the previous 12 pages to see if the answers have already been given ...maybe a sticky with established win10 facts ...and new facts as they come available, might be useful?
     
  16. faugusztin

    faugusztin I *am* the guy with two left hands

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    I doubt it will come as update. You will most likely get notified that you can upgrade to Windows 10 for free and you will be redirected to the page where you will be able to download setup.exe upgrade installer.
     
  17. Corky42

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    Tech Support one click away in Windows 10
    http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/23/tech-support-one-click-away-in-windows-10/
    Anyone concerned to see Microsoft account & billing as a support option?
     
  18. Krazeh

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    No. Why should I be?
     
  19. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Since when has having a Microsoft account been linked to being sent a bill on Windows?

    Maybe I'm just used to being able to use all the features of an operating system without having to provide payment details.
     
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    Since there's been the ability to make purchases from MS apps within Windows?





    I've not seen anything to suggest that will cease to be the case with Windows 10, with the obvious exception of not being able to purchase things from the store or in apps.
     

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