Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Baz, 11 Jan 2013.
Congrats pascal! Now go make some more
Wow im surprised Tenuis didn't at least get second. I've always wanted a PC that looked like that. Its hard describe its simple yet elegant beauty in a competition filled with tubes and windows (*yawn*).
Oh well, Its still the top mod in my mind.
Look through the full work log of The Next Level and you will see everything that went into this build. Pretty much everything was built from scratch, with some superb welding and exquisite finishing, he even made the motherboard stand-offs!
I love the use of wood through this build, extending tit's use through into the case with highlights on top of the rads and in the reservoirs (and what beauties they are), giving a consistent design flow rather than just some wood on top of a load of metal. Yes it includes a multi-monitor setup, but the support bracket was made by him and you could probably remove that and it still would have won.
Modding isn't just about practicality or fitting in with the your B&W surround system. At this level, it's a highly skilled art form.
EDIT: And anyway, it's all down to personal taste. I voted for SSR-X (which was my one and only vote) but can appreciate the skill and dedication it's taken for each of these builds to become a reality.
Congratz to all winners and Pascal specifically!
Again a good year for dutch modding !
First of, congrats to all! So many amazing mods & cons, quite the joy I've had going through pictures and logs!
Just like Waynio ( "I quite like the unofficial awards addition too." ) I want to commend on this great addition. Not to be picky, but lovely bittech staff, should you ever find time (or an intern to be abused), how about a nice graphical 'award' to go along? I feel if there was a graphical picture to go along (along the lines of the 'approved' image for reviews) it would add a bit of celebration to it Cherry on the cake, so to speak.
Waynio also said:
"@Grifter, Paslis is the dude who inspired l3p wickedly awesome modder & his skills & imagination are sheer holy sheet hot, bet it looks & is the absolute dogs in reality. "
While that might be true, I don't see 'The Next Level' on the first spot. Let me state upfront, it is a brilliant creation, it looks great and in some ways, feels like a grown-up, subtly elegant version of l3p-desk (which is stunning too, but the green lighting e.g. is just starting to not feel that great anymore). Without hesitation, I commend Paslis on his skills, which he undoubtedly proved.
However on this level, it is details that often make a difference. And I really hate to say it, but I just notice things like the wires not being tucked or bundled - the gpu-cables are obvious, but almost all wires going to the mainboard seem like attached in a last-second manner. It is details such as this, that make me think that Paslis created a stunningly beautiful and well-crafted mod, but not one to win in a contest with such competition.
I think maybe, people got tired of Attila winning everything. Or maybe they don't. But simply how he built the mainboard-tray, including the 'tray' for the GPU, is just mind-blowing and awesome beyond measure. Sadly, such details are not really visible in the end product. I think such things do make the difference.
Lastly to respond to another quote:
"Wow im surprised Tenuis didn't at least get second. I've always wanted a PC that looked like that. Its hard describe its simple yet elegant beauty in a competition filled with tubes and windows (*yawn*)."
I do agree it looks stunning. It is a practical mod, none to catch dust but one that many would put in their living room without hesitation. But in my view, it is simple. Yes, simple is good. Less is often more. But in a competition like this, design is only one aspect. Details, perfection in craftmanship, ingenuity are among other important factors. Thus I don't think Tenuis was never able to win. I do think his 3rd place is just right and very well-deserved.
To add another suggestion to this long piece of blah - I feel some mods are best described by showing the final 'candy' shots, while others should rather be shown by viewing progress shots of the build thread.
I feel that for each entry to be evaluated fairly and equally, each of the progress threads should've been read as well, by every reader. Obviously one can't demand that.
So how about this: each project is presented based on a template, that is applied to all mods. One part is fixed and determined by staff. By this I mean for example, that each project should have x number of 'candy shots' and x number of progress-shots. These should be equal. For example, 8 pictures of the finished mod and another 8 of the progress. I'd think that the creator of the mod should determine which pictures will be used, but this could work in different ways as well I guess.
As for the text, I'd suggest equal parts of text for staff and creator. So, for example the bittech staff use 300 words to describe the mod in their view, what they think makes this mod special or how it stands out. Then the creator gets 300 words too, to maybe pinpoint facts or features important to him, the idea behind the mod, or similar.
I think by using such a template, it would be easier to recognise highly complex mods with many details from the simpler ones. Also, I feel the skills applied do matter and by forcing everyone to show progress pictures, it would also be easy to separate mods by those that look good, but have few details or were made with little creativity and those, that have cool or brilliant ideas implemented in many places, often so small that they are easily overlooked.
Okay, done now. Hoping my suggestion will find a few open ears, maybe even with bittech staff. )
Sorry for the typo, I did mean that Tenuis could not have won, in my opinion. So imagine the "don't" away, or change to "never" to "ever" to make that sentence make sense
I like the ramblah faxiij, lot of sense & makes a nice change for someone else to ramble.
More constructive ramblahs are needed I think, can't expect bit-tech to think up everything to make things awesome, I'm fizzled out & they sometimes turn into rants, ramblants & I've been deleting most stuff due to recognising I was going on one so need to step away from the keyboard & eat a cheesecake, come back & be more relixed.
Congratulations to winners Pascal, Attila, Achron, Kier, Gnu, and all others to nominations. Thank you Bit-tech, panel of judges and all who voted in this great competition. Looking forward to MOTY 2013.
Minimalism is a great illusion (if done properly), but also a risky business as it might end up looking just... simple. But, there was a lot of thinking and designing behind Tenuis, in attempt to give PC new look and place in personal space and just hiding those 79 screws from a view was a nice challenge for me. Surely my fault, as my single post worklog doesn't explain many details .
However, I thing Tenuis really never had a chance to win MOTY and even 3rd place is a huge surprise and honor for me.
Wow still cant believe it.Congrats to all others and thanks a lot to all that voted for me.Thanks a lot Bit-tech and the judges and everyone else that was involved.I couldnt start 2013 better then this.
If I could pick up one project that in my opinion deserved third place (if not higher) more than Tenuis, it would be The Gnu and his Get a Life. His war against dead space and totaly vicious fight for every milimeter was truly inspiring for me. serious engineering there.
Hi faxiij. Your points are all fair ones. We try to present each project as best we can and with at least one project - Get A Life - we did show some in-progress shots for the very reason you mentioned. However, a couple of modders only had a handful of photos of their projects, which is why come had more than others. Also, some like to photograph abstract or small areas so we need more photos to show the whole PC.
We try to contact everyone beforehand to make sure we have the best images, but time was against us this year and speaking at length with 20 modders from various time zones then editing their copy and using specific photos just wasn't possible in the time I had to do the article, not with organising the sponsorship, voting poll and sifting through hundreds of photos as well. We're refining the way we do things each year though so thanks for the feedback!
Congrats to Paslis for taking out the comp this year.
And thanks to the voters that voted for my project and bit-tech for putting on the comp.
I don't wish to seem ungrateful. and I'm not. And I'm not 'looking a gift horse in the mouth', either however........
This is how things turned out and you have to just accept it the way it is. But I must say that I'm very disappointed for Achron and The Gnu. My top three would have been 'the next level', 'acronym' and 'get a life'. I probably would have a tough time deciding between 'acronym' and 'get a life' for the top spot, but these two projects stand above all the others in a group of fine work. That these two extraordinary projects didn't even get into the top five says some rethinking is necessary for this comp going forward.
Congratulations to Paslis and his amazing metalworking skills. A well deserved win
And thank you judges for the honorable unoffical award. I really appreciate it.
@ AnG3L - Gtek - Attila
Thank you guys for showing your support and hoping for me. Personaly, I was pretty shure I wouldn't get to the top 5. People have very different taste and I think that in competitions like this, with public voting, it's very important to emediately catch the voters attention and make their mind go WOW! That is something that both your projects did exeptionally well. Gtek - I don't deserv your spot, you do, I really had that WOW feeling when seeing it for the first time. It's just the perfect combination of simplicity and awsomenes needed. I would say my project gives more of a "WHAT?" feeling at first impression. It isn't untill you see the process behind it that you see the complete project because I've worked very hard to try to hide the work.
Also, publicity and being recognized from other places matters in competitions like this. But Im not that kind of guy. I tried another forum with Protohype a long time ago but never got hooked. Now I prefer to keep my stuff in one place and that would be here.
Congratulations again to the winners and Im looking forward to see Paslis turn that mini-itx board in to the worlds coolest nightstand.
Congratulations to all. I was hoping Attila would make it 3 from 3 but it ended up being a very close top 5. I am glad that the top 5 were mostly builds I had cast my votes on (dissapointed by 'acronym' and 'get a life' not making the top 5 though). Each year the work getting pumped out is getting better and better, can't wait for MOTY 2013!
Congratulations guys, all absolutely amazing builds. The level of creativity and craftsmanship on display is phenomenal!
Thanks for responding Combatus!
I think my main point was simply, that all projects should have finished and in-progress shots, because I guess many won't even look into the build threads. Having both kinds of pictures makes for a higher chance (imho), that every voter gets a decent insight into the work done, including on many levels, with the amount of details, or similar.
I appreciate and did not think of the factor time I want to add though I never meant it as criticism, merely some points for future improvements, where you could maybe try to implement some where, when and how is possible, given it is possible.
One idea could be to maybe ask motm-winners straight away to provide these pictures and a bit of text, just when they won their respective motm. It could be added as a hint/rule to the posts where motm-contestants are presented too, that winners would be asked to provide a bit of text, some candy shots and some in-progress shots for the moty-contest.
Or, maybe, how about a 'public brainstorm' about this? Actively ask readers of bittech to provide ideas. Might be a lot to sift through, but such brainstormings can yield incredible results sometimes.
Hell yeah! A nightstand with a pc in it. I would love to see that! Maybe with a pico-projector that throws it's picture on the ceiling? Just playing with crazy thoughts here
Finally, to Attila: that attitude rocks. is there something not to like about you?
I get what you're saying, I suppose the problem is there is no criteria and no weighting either. Each voter decides for her/himself what is important. Some vote for the most complex mod, some for the one that is the prettiest in their view. And the competition was indeed really fierce this year. So I think the competition can't be blamed, it's just what the 'public' wants...But I do agree with you, to have that stated.
Which makes me think, couldn't that be turned into a brainstorming too? Ways to create some sort of 'rules' for voting? Sure, you can't force anyone, but it might be a good start to mention disciplines (such as: good looks, clever design, complexity, level of detail, quality in crafting, ingenuity) and give a suggested weighting system, maybe even with some sort of calculator. Maybe a good amount of people would then pay more attention to the various things that come into play with mods and we could see a shift in how people vote. Just playing with ideas here (last one: what about a place maybe, to write more elaborate views? I hate those really long comments, thus I hate myself right now... ;( )
P.S.: thanks for liking my ramblah waynio )
Some truly stunning builds there; congrats to all!
I love to ramblah. (not really I hate it but I feel constructive feedback helps & when it's very few doing it that doesn't help especially when it's ugh why this & ugh why that, nothing constructive )
There are many solutions I thought about, here is my favourite one of the bunch.
Use ping pong balls, this idea brings complete equality to all nominees, prevents jealousy of resources & skills & sponsorships & budgets & also still brings people to bit-tech, this one does everything, rewards special awards for elite specialities & is the best option for everyone I think, it also adds fun to the competition which has been missing, it's perfect, simple & beautiful & makes this current system completely obsolete, this is the system every modder truly deserves at this level.
Do people want to hear it?.
I think the majority would but if you don't I'm saying it anyway, don't tell me to zip it unless I'm being out of order, I suppose it's debatable saying this here might be considered wrong by some or most, I don't truly know with bit-tech.
Do keep in mind this is just a suggestion to think about, k.
First of all ditch that system of adding finished to your project title & have a sticky for people to say they completed their project with a link to it, if they fail to add their project there then it's there loss, maybe within the sticky more sticky’s for different years, this would make finding the years completed projects a heck of a lot easier for scouts & would be excellent for people looking for completed projects instead of works in progress, something TBCS does & they add a medal for completing a project added to your space when people click on your name you see them, it's a nice touch, you could do the same for special awards like you introduced, you could start by giving me the "squashed all beef on a soapbox" or "bringer of world peace to the land of mod" or "Sir ramblalot" award, give it now because I "deserve" it.
Have keen unbiased modders or ex modders search though the completed logs thread for excellent projects that got completed throughout the year for nomination.
Put them all to a big MOTM type poll where they all have to meet a specified number that would require at least a little support rally which gathers external interest from people who might not know what the heck this is all about & might spark an interest for them, get them hooked on our modders itch product see lol, but projects that are undeniably hot & the modder never does support campaigning only need 50 votes to pass, fair I think, Gnu even just said he doesn't do that & only posts here so his expectance of winning will be minimal even though he just made the best SFF ever right next to Acronym, I post at a few places but I never ask for support, don't even mention when I'm in them or tell family but that's me.
In the final, the panel of judges are called Numbers, Ping, Pong & Balls. I BS you not.
All case mods get separated from scratch builds & put into a big goldfish bowl or a clear mixing bowl.
Thin down the balls flinging away 1 by 1 until you have 2 of each for case mods & scratch builds purely in the name of equality.
Then mix the 4 balls in another bowl & pull 1 out & fling it aside if you can't get the extra sponsor support for 4 prize packs.
Announce the winners on a live video stream, needed props, gold fish bowl without water or a fish or clear mixing bowl without cheesecake mix thick gloves so the picker can't properly feel them but can still grab them, blanked out vision, preferably a cardboard box with picture of the relix on it for crazy lol factor hehe: numbered ping pong balls.
Also give official awards but like faxiij suggested.
Jobsagooden, no more BS competition related.
This system will also add awesomely fun nail biting tension when the ping pong balls are being thinned down with everyone knowing they have just as much chance as any with full on equality for all nominees, may or may not make some leave who rely on a vote army, personally I think they would stay & sponsors might even be more willing to back it more knowing it's a damn good competition & everyone gets along fine.
Errrrm, give "bringer of world peace to the land of mod" award now.
But until something better than current system is introduced I'll remain uncompetitive for sure, what faxiij said about a bit of brainstorming is what is needed but there you have what I would consider an ideal competition because it hits all the spots very nicely IMHO, all those projects wowed people when they were followed in progress & I can't imagine a better solution for this competition.
Sorry, I do hate to ramble but I also hate broken systems, if that makes me unwelcome here I'll cheerfully leave or even let you whack me into space with the legendary hammer of bindi which I hear is like Thor's hammer, sounds awesome.
ahh ok, i didnt know even tho i looked at the work log, usually i just look at the pic to get an understanding of what is being done, but did not know he made everything himself. it does not change my mind that tenius should have won. but ups the project a little. thx Crapman
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