I think the reason why people freak out, is that it's another nail in coffin. Next up, would be that the glossy plastic finish will scratch itself despite using the softest cloth ever, like any glossy product. And it's true... it's not a critical thing, but it doesn't help gaining any favors on it's side.
The lot of you are acting like methed up old ladies in a hat store. Grow up. This is called "Progress" mixed with a healthy dose of "Capitalism". Go live in a cave if you don't like it.
"Progress" towards a locked down DRM dystopian future... Yes maybe. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
The new consoles mean more to the gameshops than they do the customers. The problem for ms is at least 1 uk games store is totally dependent on 2nd hand games for its profits as is the biggest games seller left in the uk ( game itself ) No one will trade in a game for £5 which is all they would be offered if the nominal fee is£10 per game, average price game used to pay for second hand new 360 or ps3 titles was around £15-£20 trade in. I assume places like game would have to pay the nominal fee or face a consumer backlash if people got home and games needed a fee to play. The sooner details like this and the online download are confirmed in accuracy the better it will be for all concerned.
That's the capitalism I mentioned. They couldn't do it before, but thanks to technologies progress, they can now with relatively little outlay for the return. Publishers like it because it promotes more new sales and less second hand, which means it will attract, as a console, more publishers into exclusive deals. Doesn't matter what the consumer says on forums, because a lot of the big "boycotts" have just been bluster lately. Vote with your wallet, so they say, and as far as publishers and console developers are concerned, people are still pretty good at buying a lot of the products.
No **** Sherlock. It'll be good for the industry, bad for the consumer in the short term and good for them in the long term. But it may as well kiss the retail sector goodbye now. Retailers, always get the short end of the stick to beat themselves to death with. It'll still sell... But the departure from the benefits of console gaming looks to be on the horizon. Things like 'it just plays' and 'I'm coming over... I've just bought x, let's jam" As I'm sure you were pointing out, not all progress is necessarily good. And a universally good move is always unlikely from a philosophical point of view... but to me at least it seems that the initial outlay is heavily weighted towards a negative. Console despots.
So what you're telling me is that the Xbox one looks awesome, will be great for the industry and in general, steps far away and ahead of the utter design failure that has been the 360 for SO. MANY. YEARS. But, none of the dozens of peripherals that I've acquired for the 360 over the past few years will work with the new console and neither will my new Turtle Beach XP510 wireless headphones, making hundreds of £s worth of peripherals as well as my not-very-old Halo Reach edition 360 slim completely obsolete? Well sorry Microsoft, but I'm out. I'll keep my XBL Gold subscription until I've hit Inheritor rank in Reach at which point I'll probably cancel it and go back to PC gaming. Tell me again why the controller needed to change? If Halo 4 (remember, Halo is the only reason I own an Xbox at all) hadn't been such a failure from a true Halo multiplayer point of view and I had any confidence that the next Halo game from 343i on the XBox One would be any good, I might consider it... but I don't have any confidence in that whatsoever and I also have many, many better things to spend £600 on. I won't even get into the whole DRM and privacy thing. I can't see anything whatsoever changing my mind about not buying this.
That's very sad. If I were to choose XBO then it would be to play Forza. But if my MS Wheel would not work then there would be no point in playing Forza and no real reason for me to choose the XBO. If the prices for XBO or PS4 are accurate then I won't be joining in this time anyway - I may as well upgrade my PC instead. To be honest the whole 'next, next gen' console thing has left a bit of a sour taste and both presentations left me feeling that something big was being hidden. Maybe I'm just getting too old for this kind of thing!
The last generation launch as I remember it: 360s breaking left, right and centre. No HDD models.... ??? That was clever. (Seriously, I had a PS3 and had friends lie to me about their 360 not being broken as though I would care. They all broke, one by one.) No games for a year(pretty much) except what looked like N64 remakes. PS3s coming with backwards compat, then some, then none, then no rumble, then rumble. When the dualshock 3 came out, where was my recompense? Really high initial cost... £425 if I remember rightly. That Killzone footage as well that was pre-rendered. 400 years until GT4 or 5 or whatever came out whilst we played HD GT3 demo... for money. I wonder how this one will stack up?
I'm fairly sure the PS3 retailed for more than £425 at launch. The 360 has been one failure after another. The hardware has never been up to the task and still isn't compared to PC graphics and the PS3. V1 with the Xenon board was a rushed-to-market design, hastily and poorly manufactured with poor quality lead free solder on the BGAs and insufficient cooling to stop the dreaded RROD error, and even poorer quality capacitors on the mainboard, which also failed sporadically on the later generation 360s with Zephyr, Falcon and Opus boards. There isn't a 90nm 360 board that I haven't had on the bench for one reason or another, and I haven't even worked at that many of them compared to things like iPhones and laptops. I should also mention that for what you got, it was pathetically overpriced. A 20GB hard drive? It took me months to get over the fact that you had to pay so much extra to upgrade to a 60 or 120GB hard drive. I agree with you on the games, at first there were very few, even fewer worth playing. The "blade menu" software was an improvement on the original xBox but the later (2008) dashboard update ruined the console for me. It made the console slow, clunky and worst of all, it took the maturity of the console away in my opinion. At that stage it made the leap from a grown-up console (with grown up problems, mind) to a kids console, and from there it just went downhill. The only good thing they did was create the Jasper board in the latest revisions of the fat console and totally redesign and re-launch it with the slim version. At least the hardware in those versions (I own both) gives some peace of mind that it's not going to catastrophically fail at any moment, although I have been very careful and lucky with my Zephyr Halo 3 console which has never been opened and never gave trouble. The sluggish system software I've learned to live with... XBL needs a massive overhaul with an improved chat and messaging system among many other things, but it's just about bearable if you plug in a USB keyboard to use for messaging. Bottom line: the 360 is now kicking the a** off 8 years old. Microsoft have wrung every last cent out of the heap of scrap that I consider the 360 to be. There's nothing modern about it whatsoever, in the hardware, the OS or even in any of the handful of games I've played on it. In the PC graphics industry, things move so fast that a new generation of cards are launched by both the Nvidia and AMD camps once every couple of years, new drivers every couple of months... yet Xbox gamers have been stuck with the same old, tired hardware and clunky system software for 8 years. Now they're going to do exactly the same by forcing no backwards compatibility of peripherals and accessories with the XBO, not to mention DRM on everything and several glaring invasion of privacy issues related to the mic and camera. All I feel about the Xbox (and the XBO gives me no confidence that the next 8 years will be any different) is accurately conveyed in this article, by none other than the man responsible for Microsoft's venture into console gaming in the first place!
It's nice to see an argument portrayed in such an informed manner. +rep. I'm not a 360 hater, I have two of the damned machines and haven't experienced any faults with mine. One of them is heavily modified (nope not talking about it) and the other is an elite I bagged from zavvi before they went bust for a wholesome £99. The HDD issue was rectified by buying a scorpio blue and flashing with the relevant firmware - i have a tasty 1tb in my elite, but the prices for the legit ones were astronomically insane for what was essentially a "Cheap" drive. I think I got the scorpio for ~ £60 before the market went t*ts up. On the flip side, I've lost count of how many drives i've replaced, and xclamps applied to friends 360s. I've seen both sides of this and am firmly stuck on the fence. The 360 did what it was meant to do, it lived a little too long for my liking and as a result the PC-Elite was subjected to bad ports and lowq graphics. I'm looking forward to what the new generation of consoles will effect in the world of PC's, but doubt I'll own one for 2-3years after they hit the market. I've certainly not seen anything that piques my interest in both camps.
Ps3 was £425 on launch with £50 for your avr game and £25 for another controller so you were looking at around £500 for 1 game 2 controllers.
a friend bought a 13 month old `slim` 360 last week for £20 - it had RROD. apparently the slims don't RROD but this one did - 20 mins later and he had got it back into life so it was all good, but this is the latest and greatest model that *shouldn't* RROD.
Exchange rate varies country by country, UK gets the worst deal of all on electronics so the ps3 actually was rather competitive with the xbox on launch price wise. I paid aprox £450 for my xbox 360 with 2 games 2 controllers. Paid aprox £520 for my ps3 with 2 games 2 controllers. The fact it had built in blue ray player which at the time were more than the £520 i paid ment it was a win win for Sony. Which is still a huge chunk of cash thinking back on it now.
Future scholars will note this as the post that began the steady descent of this thread into an irresolvable flame war of name-calling and fighting. Way to respect the community, man. You should be a diplomat, with manners like that. This is part of my new 'call it like you see it' modus. If I see someone being flagrantly rude, I call it. If you didn't realise how rude you were being, no hard feelings, bro.
