The hardware for the xbox 360 was better (when it worked) than the hardware in the ps3. It was much, much easier to program for. So most games were programmed for the xbox then ported over to the ps3. As for the power of both machines they are basically the same. No console looks better than the other. The operating system in the xbox 360 is superior to ps3's and xbox live has more features. Sony is also guilty of "wrung every last cent out of the heap of scrap". Don't get me wrong I prefer the ps3 (better value, better games, more reliable, and overall more useful). But some of the things you said are just wrong.
If future scholars are looking at threads about the Xbox one, then my post will be ignored as one of the tamest on the net. I suspect that they might have better things to do, though.. Yes, it was rude, but FFs, it's a console that's not really worth a three page whingeathon (arguably none are) and its getting pretty sad. However, still cleaner than most threads about the new consoles.
I've skipped to the end of this one and I've not read through all the posts but I own an original model 360 it is around 8 years old. I can't remember if it once RROD'd but it was still in warranty. It doesn't get a whole heap of use anymore. Then we got a wii I was blown away by the innovation of that little white box and wii sports. 4 years ago we got a fat ps3 as well, again no faults with that. It gets more use as a bluray player now. Personally I've not got so much time for gaming these days, and if I do I use the PC. Since buying both consoles we've had kid's and that eats up most your grown up free time. I've not looked at the specs yet, I will at some point, but I have no real interest in it.
I know, and that's what makes me so sad. I don't get why subjects like this turn an otherwise lovely community into angry, abusive in-fighting barsterds. I have to agree that a console isn't worth drama, but on the other hand, if you're into gaming, it is as good a thing as any to have a discussion about - discussion being the operative word. These things always teeter on turning into all-out flame wars. Also, I think I should leave this here, as it sums up my main concern with the next generation of consoles: The problem of the upcoming consoles essentially being modest gaming PCs, with all the associated disadvantages and limitations, is a valid one. Something he doesn't touch on which I'm particularly concerned about is the continuing trend towards single-player or online experiences rather than split-screen and same-screen multiplayer. The 360 and PS3 had great controllers and good hardware but didn't have nearly enough titles that actually made use of the extra controllers, because the basement-dwelling play style of the PC gamer became the norm for 360 and PS3 owners. I'd really like to see more local multiplayer games, but I don't think it's where this is all going any more. edit - Don't get enraged by Jim Sterling; he's not trolling or hating, he's just always like that. Vehement and hyperbolic.
I really wanted to be blown away by the new consoles - it's been so long now since the last ones. Even though I wasn't at all impressed by either presentation, I secretly hope that something happens to turn my opinion round. I think what will swing it will be a game. A game that takes my breath away, that squeezes every ounce out of the new boxes and takes game-play to a new level. I hope something is in the works somewhere. I am simply just not interested in playing the new FIFA with better graphics, or CoD with less jaggies (and dogs), or some over hyped movie that I occasionally get to wave my hand at to proceed to the next cut-scene. I want to play something epic, something huge, something that will make me remember the first day I played it. I am hoping that the new boxes are simply not an excuse to sell me all the games I already own on the old boxes. Star Citizen and Elite have me chomping at the bit to play on my PC and along with Arma 3 will drive my next build - the scale and ambition of these games excite me and I want something to do the same with next, next gen consoles. Hell, even what I have seen for GTAV has me dying to play, and that's on current gen hardware. The hardware, at the end of the day is just a plastic box full of components - I want someone to show me what they can really do and why I am going to want to spend a few hundred hours in front of them.
The only thing that console manufactures can do, to "blow us away" is proving a unique gaming experience. Nintendo and Microsoft (to some extent) understand that, but it seams that people don't. All you got was higher specs console, and that is it. It can't do 4D. As much as I hate the XBox One, Microsoft will catch TV buff's, and rich people that wants the gimmicks of the XBox One interface with their TV, and also sports fans. A smart move. Microsoft doesn't care one bit about hard core gamers. The market is too small. Nintendo gets you a unique gaming experience, at an affordable price, at the expense of lower specs. Sony, understood that, late. Sony force devs to replicate the same experience of the WiiU, using the PSVista. This will get your the WiiU unique experience, but with power behind the console. Of course, you'll have to pay the premium price tag.. the console, and the PSVista... and the PSVita propitiatory memory card, which are expensive by itself. But you get full HD graphics. For hard gamers, honestly, the WiiU is the best deal. Or if you want the full library of games: WiiU + PS4 OR WiiU + PC. And if you don't care about gaming experience.. well.. you have exclusive titles, crossing your fingers that there is something original, or can magically that they can pull a Nintendo on the friendship, and make it so that it feels always original. (I doubt it, because the cost of this, is not being able to release a new version of the game every year, but rather every 3 to 5 years. To let people breath, and to allow devs and the game creator to bring in new ideas)
Your quest for the WiiU is admirable I must say! I really do hope that it pulls something out of the bag soon as unfortunately it is starting to gather dust in my games room. My kids like Lego City Undercover but for me I am looking for more innovative games like ZombieU. With ZombieU, I saw a glimpse of how the simple use of a peripheral (the bag searching using the Wiiu Controller) could increase the tension and excitement of a game. You don't necessarily need the computing power of a medium sized nation, but some intelligent design and seamless use of peripherals to take a fairly standard game to the next level. I think that this is what I am not seeing with the XBO and PS4. I am seeing a lot of muscle flexing and testosterone based blustering, but no finesse, no art and no evidence of real game-play innovation.
OH you already have a WiiU. I was waiting to see what Sony and Microsoft was about to deliver... hence why I waited... I am still waiting for prices of the PS4.. I might get it with the WiiU... of course.. that depends on Nintendo. If they release nothing.. like Wii Sports like games... or WiiMusic... then forget it. So E3 will be a big deciding factor. Would be interesting to see if Nintendo drops the console price too.. I mean if the XBox One and PS4 are at 400$... then ouch for the WiiU.
Problem I have with the Wii U it has no exclusive games that interest me. Only games I want to play on it are Zombi U, Red Steel 3 and monster hunter 3 (that game might make me buy Wii U, if something else as good as it comes out). Whereas the PS4 has many games which interest me: Fifa (with a large gamer base), Grand Turismo, God of War, Infamous, Knack (looks pretty cool), metal gear solid, the last guardian, deep down, Ratchet and clank, uncharted, the witness, Destiny. The Xbox one only has one game which intrests me and that is gears of war. But microsoft has said they are putting $1billion towards exclusives. Would like to know what these exclusives are.
I don't even.... How is it a better deal than Xbox or PS4, let alone the PC? The WiiU is a joke of a console. You talk about Nintendos originality, but all I see is the same old franchises being rolled out generation after generation with a new gimmickey control scheme and graphics that are way behind the curve. Yawn. It is most definitely not, under any circumstances for 'hard gamers'. Meanwhile, while neither the Xbox or PS4 are particularly aimed at hardcore gamers (PS4 more so), both have far more games that people that actually consider themselves 'hardcore' would play. Unless I've misunderstood your statement entirely, you are absolutely kidding yourself.
I'll be buying one. I don't play loads of games, as long as it's got a good shooter ( Halo series would be nice ) and ability to play blu-ray and stream live television. I don't really bother with the second hand market so that area doesn't bother me. To me it looks like an interesting buy and it will go well in my front room. I'm not bothered about how many million pixels it can generate compared to the PS4, i'm more bothered about what titles are coming out and it's features as a console/entertainment unit.
I kind of disagree with this. The console itself is not a joke, and the control scheme is only gimmicky if the game design uses it that way. I will keep banging on about it, but the way the controller is used in ZombieU is excellent and certainly helps add to the tension of the game. It is better than anything I have seen when compared to the Kinect or PS Move when it comes to seamless immersion and use of a specialised peripheral. It is because of this that the graphical fidelity (or arguable lack of it) didn't really matter. What has let the WiiU down is game support and this is a massive failing on behalf of Nintendo really - they should have been designing games hand in hand with the controller but instead they seem to have relied on post release pick-up by the publishers. As for the the same old franchises being rolled out generation after generation, I don't think any of the big three can say they are not guilty of this. Component for component of course the PS4 and XBO win, but they still have to back this up with some great games themselves.
You are confusing "easy to develop" for with "better hardware". The 360s GPU was more advanced as it was a unified architecture, which was one more notch on why it was the lead platform (Unified Memory Architecture, Unified GFX architecture and an easier to work with PowerPC CPU). Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you are confusing: Standardised HDD Blu-ray drive (which added a whole plethora of other features) Cell processor (that actually, when someone spent money on working on, was faster) Faster memory (just in a NUMA config) Let alone wifi out the box and standard wireless controllers My launch model lasted until just over 1 year ago. And it was my fault as I knew it was overheating and just needed cleaning... but I was lazy and didn't till it was too late With being inferior to the 360. I think your OS argument is pretty subjective. Xbox live must have been better though... despite the peer 2 peer stuff. Although I heard MS did some clever things to make it so ...as it was and still is its staple. 1st party Sony games always looked better to my eyes than MS games and earlier in the lifecycle too such as Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone and even the GT demo car models compared to the first 360 Forza (which cause uproar if remember with people swearing blind that it was because it was just a demo and there are hardly any cars to focus on)... but that could be subjective again. What won it for 360 was flexibility, price and a headstart in the battle of the "Techy" consoles. But yes there was the "This console is designed to last 10 years" talk if you remember. So it is hardly surprising that it went on this long.
If you like nintendos 1st party titles its the only option. Xbox ps4 will likely have same game catalogs with a few exceptions on both sides. Exclusive content will be timed dlc most likely. Pc + 1 of ps4 or Xbox if you don't want to play mario zelda Ect. Will offer the best of both worlds. If you do want to play mario and zelda wait for them to release and pick up console in a bundle on the cheap. There's little other reason to buy the wii u as it stands this moment. I picked up a wii with all of nintendos 1st party titles for under £100 about 2 years back was worth it for that purpose but its now collecting dust again. If you have young children the decision is a bit more complicated. If they want the latest FIFA and need for speed games then its ps4 or Xbox. If they are happy in mario land wii u is for you. To each there own in that department.
Traditionally yes, but it wasn't supposed to be this way with the WiiU - however I can see that it probably will be now that 3rd Party developers seem to be dis-interested. I am not a fan of Zelda or Mario or any of the traditional Nintendo stuff (the Wii was my first ever Nintendo device) so perhaps the WiiU will be confined to the land of what-ifs. My OUYA got despatched this morning, so perhaps that's the way I will go!
I don't think it's true that there are no decent games for the WiiU, anyway. The mainstream titles, the ones that get all the attention and publicity and make up all of Nintendo's marketing, are all derivative sequels to Nintendo's same old, old IP but there's a ton of games outside those well-known, tired franchises. The same will hopefully be true of the XBO, whatever other shortcomings it has. A good marketplace with small developer accessibility can save a console - but we haven't heard much about how that's going to work (or not) yet.
Does seem very interesting and a smart deal for Sky to make as no doubt, the console is going to sell in it's millions and if, it means they can even a 10% increase in subscribers it will be worth it for them.
