WTF are they thinking, Education should be free. this is a terrible idea to charge students more for their education, hell its a terrible idea to have UNI fees full stop. £15 to apply to Uni on UCAS. what the hell is this coming too.
i personally think its stupid, cuz arnt the government trying to cut down on the nations debt? i mean, up to or over £5000 for 1 year on a course, around 2000-3000 for accommadation for the year, plus spending and living expenses, your talking up to £10000 for 1 year at uni, and for a 3 year degree you talking £30000 in debt before you even try to get a job or settle down, its rediculous.
well wheres the money gonna come from when nobody goes to UNi and theres a whole lotta lost jobs? of course it should come from big business and the rich, but tonys scared that if he taxes them too much he won't be able to build another millenium dome. **** thats where the money should of come from the ****ing giant POS in london called the millenium dome, what about the new wembly stadium or hell anything thats pointless and cost a ****load to build that coulda been used for anything other than what it was used for
I agree about the millenium groan, but that's besides the point. Doesn't it strike you that "the rich" already pay a great deal of this through much higher levels of taxation? Doesn't it also strike you that it is the case that the person who is going to see benefit from university (ie the student) should pay for it, since it will massively increase earning power relative to not having a degree? In one way or another, this is the likely course of action, either through top-up fees (where you will be spared having to pay the full cost anyway, since it is a TOP UP. You're still being subsidised) or through a graduate tax, where you will probably, over the many years that you will pay tax, end up paying far more than your course initially cost in its entirety. So, you have the choice... A relatively small lump sum now, or an added tax to those with a degree which over 30-40 years of employment will amount to a much greater sum. You want to go ahead and make that call? Your initial statement that "education should be free" is all very well, but it is NOT economically viable. You must remember that lecturers and professors and other academics are horrendously underpaid as it is. People won't work for free.
Without university students, society will suffer, so I think public funding is needed. People may complain, but if you ask them who else is going to pay to educate researchers, doctors, and all the professions which require a high degree of knowledge and training... If required, charge students once they've completed their degree and have better jobs! Not while they're working part time for lower-wages. Its getting to the point where "normal" students wont be able to afford the top universities which imho is a very bad thing.
remember, paying for uni is a fairly new concept, back in the day of dinosaurs when my parents were apprently young. they ddin't pay for no uni. just rent. which was good cause otherwise my dad wouldn't of gone to oxford 9or his sis) and they were from a miners background i.e. dude working in the pits.
Indeed, I do not believe that it will be a good thing to have these charges, but real life intervenes. It is stupid, ill-considered comments like "education should be free" without any consideration behind them that I have a real problem with. Personally, I'd take the top-up fees rather than a graduate tax. Others may choose differently. It may come to the point where your "normal" (impossible to define, particularly for students) student can't afford to go to cambridge or oxford. But that's the way life is. I can't afford an Aston Martin, no matter how much I might want one. The other side of the coin is what people value. I know students that complain about having no money, and then spend over £100 on going out drinking over a weekend. Then, as we part ways for summer, and they say "oh, I have to work, what are you doing?" and I say "I'm going to spend 2 months in australia" and they envy me, perhaps it has more to do with the fact that I don't spend anything on alcohol? I don't eat out every other night? I don't buy bottles of coke from vending machines every day (I drink water mostly). So it's a question of what you value. Do you value education more than getting ****ed on a friday night?
You WHAT? Paying for uni is NOT a new concept. In fact, before the first world war, you had to pay for university in this country. In the USA you've always had to pay for university. So what are you talking about?
yeah but the first world war, come on at that point in time we sold kids and sent them up the chimneys. that don't happen much these days, so i'm not gonna take that as a whatever. yeah well americas scared of commies.
by not building wembley stadium for 3 trillon pounds or whatever idiotic amout it comes too by selling the damned dome for what its worth (errr but its worth not even 1pence) err i mean higly inflated price, like the cost it cost to build. reducing the war chest, we can't use half the military equipment we have anyway, Hell werre still using green goddesses, are we saving the spitfires for saddam? Taxing everyone in the land, if youre a graduate youre gonna get a higher pay thus you'll get taxed more than non graduates who will also be taxed making business pay, if they want graduates make them pay for the education, and if they decide foreign peeps are cheaper then we tax them more
Sorry, but thats a very different thing. Students who have completed higher education are critical for society, an Aston Martin each isn't.
Wembley Stadium- agreed. Football should be banned. Dome. No one wants it. It has to be given away to avoid further cost to the public. War chest- This country's military readiness is an absolute joke. We need to improve our military considerably, especially in the current world climate. Graduates typically earn more and are already paying higher levels of tax consequently. If you tax them too heavily, they'll emigrate (I intend to), and you'll be in a worse position than previous. Business sponsorships already exist to quite a high level. This could be expanded, but there isn't a LOT of capital left in those businesses to spend on scolarships/sponsorships than they are already providing.
And yet a great deal of students exist in the US and europe, where higher education has to be paid for. You're assuming that if people have to pay for higher education that they will not do it. This is completely untrue. As I said, it's a question of what you value. If you're not prepared to give up alcohol and luxuries like that for education, then maybe you don't really want it enough, and are just freeloading?
Might be me being short sighted but, apart from Doc's and people in health care work, i cant think of other that are "critical for society", gimmie some examples please and i may change me mind
Forsaken, you forget engineers, political leaders (as much as i hate the majority of them cause theyre all corupt), and ice cream van men (inc Ben & Jerrys and Hagen Daz)
Political leaders, dont get me started, can they do anything correctly ? and there are hell of a lot of engineers with little qualifacations who are better than the ones upto their neck in them.
