"torso cannot possibly fly on its own"

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  1. Shadowspawn

    Shadowspawn Another hated American.

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  2. tm36usa

    tm36usa What's a Dremel?

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    They are so stupid. Thats all i have to say. Dumbest airline i know. And i thought it was had to get a doctors note to get out of gym. Imagine how hard it would be to find four doctors that would not laugh in you face when you tell them you need a note to fly in an airplanewhen you have done it before. They wouldnt be laughing at you, they would be laughing at air france.
     
  3. Herbicide

    Herbicide Lurktacular

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    she should sue them for so much, they would need a loan to be able to run a biplane.
     
  4. Guest-16

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    That's truely a disgusting way to treat someone, especially referring to them as "it". I hope she wins big and the woman on the desk gets sacked.
     
  5. MrWillyWonka

    MrWillyWonka Chocolate computers galore!

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    Recently a group of deaf yr 13 students from my school, all who I know went to Gran Canaria for a holiday to celebrate the end of their exams, they were refused on board Air Iberia cos they were deaf.

    One of my friend phoned me and they said they are planning to sue, good for them. And for that lady travelling with Air France.

    here

    Too many cases of discrimination on airlines - all foriegn have u noticed?
     
  6. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Tell me, MrWillyWonka, how is nationalism different from disability discrimination? :eyebrow:
     
  7. MrWillyWonka

    MrWillyWonka Chocolate computers galore!

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    I mean that all the discrimination seems to have been done by foreign airlines, I havent seen BMI or BA on the news for that thing?!?!
     
  8. Krikkit

    Krikkit All glory to the hypnotoad! Super Moderator

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    Jebus Christ: that's so ridiculous it's unbelievable; what was the Air France "Agent" thinking? How inconsiderate...
     
  9. cpu121

    cpu121 What's a Dremel?

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    To be honest I think Air France were right in not letting the lady fly without a helper (although I think it was wrong of them to let her fly the other time without a helper). Just imagine if she was in the seat beside the emergency exit on the wing. How is she supposed to open the heavy door and escape on her own? By being unable to do this, she would most likely be condemning the passengers around her who try to escape via this exit.

    EDIT: To expand on my first sentence, I do believe Air France were in the wrong if they granted her a ticket knowing about her disability and lack of helper, however if she did not tell them about her disability, I believe it is her own fault that she was unable to fly.
     
  10. Lynx

    Lynx What's a Dremel?

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    Airlines are under an obligation not to seat unsuitable passengers next to the emergency exits on the wings. They are only allowed to sit you there is you are a fully able adult.

    I think this lady deserves the money just because of the way she was treated. Air France denying boarding isnt too bad if they treated her nicely.
     
  11. Shadowspawn

    Shadowspawn Another hated American.

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    If you listen to the speech the crew give before takeoff they always say that if you are in one of those seats and feel you cannot work the door that they will move you to another seat. There is no reason why she cannot fly. I've seen video's of people like her and find it amazing what they are capable of.
     
  12. maki43

    maki43 I can touch my toes 1,2,3

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    I have to say that it must have been the first time that the air france representative had seen a woman with no limbs and did not know wether it was possible that she could fly on her own or not, as i would think that she would have difficulty in flying and would need help. The stewardess and staff wouldnt be trained or have the time to do this.

    IMO tho if she told me that she was able to do so on her own and had done before, i would let her fly.
     
  13. Lord_A

    Lord_A Boom baby!

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    What they said to her was totally out of order & she should sue, get thousands, and get that person fired for that.

    I don't know much about the law in this area, but I do think that airlines should not allow people with 'serious' disabilities onboard without a helper or if they don't have trained staff for that sort of thing onboard.

    I am not being discriminatory about people with disabilities, I am just stating the obvious, that some disabilities obviously limit what a person can or cannot do.

    If the said airline was to allow her on the flight, and then there was an emergency & she was unable to help herself and/or the staff/passengers could not assist her either, causing her to die, or be seriously injured, the airline would then be liable for not having the capacity to cope with such situations.

    At the end of the day we live in a competitive world where we want more cheaper, air travel is constantly becoming cheaper, and yet people still expect them to handle almost any situation thrown at them. The amount of money & time it would cost to train & equip airplanes and staff in order to accept disabled people makes it almost impossible.

    People have to face the fact that sometimes they need an escort/helper/whatever.
     
  14. Lord_A

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    I'm sorry but this sort of thing pisses me off.

    Take this quote from the linked story:
    "It makes me feel like I'm not a human being and it makes me feel like I'm not normal, just because I'm deaf they treat me differently."

    Urm...yes, you are being treated differently, because you are deaf.
    You have to be treated differently because of that.
    Being treated differently DOES NOT mean being treated badly or discriminatory(sp?).

    Iberia was right in their actions, if I was a pilot of a plane and had several deaf people onboard with no one that can understand sign language I would refuse them permission as well.
    Again this has to do with safety of all other passengers, the deaf people themselves, and the air liners liability.

    In both of the cases mentioned the only problem I can see is that the travel agents failed to notify the airlines so that they could make the necessary arrangements needed to make the flight safe & comfortable for the people with disabilities.
    Granted that certain personel should have their heads examined for saying such stupid insensitave things to people who try their best to fit in society & brave all the normal things we take for granted by themselves.
     
  15. maki43

    maki43 I can touch my toes 1,2,3

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    Totally agree with you there :) Its all about safety, if they felt that the person(s) they were letting onto the flight were in danger of not being understood or of being in a disadvantageous position when an emergency occoured then it would be a bad idea to let them board the plane
     
  16. MrWillyWonka

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    Let me pointout that all the students there are able to speak and understand other people, and the airline WAS notified beforehand, and they said it wouldn't be a problem. And afterwards British Airways blasted Iberian Airlines and said there is no such law saying that disabled people are not allowed to travel without an 'able bodied person'.

    So for anyone whos disabled, they should not be kicked off a plane. If you disagree with me, then if you become disabled in the future, you wouldn't mind being kicked off the plane in front of hundreds of others and being humiliated because of your disability?

    EDIT: besides, if there was an emergency and the plane crashed (which is very unlikely btw), nobody is likely to survive anyway??!!
     
  17. Lord_A

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    Ah, so they can fully understand what the air hostess would be saying over the intercom, don't think so.

    There was clearly a breakdown in communication somewhere or someone didn't do his/her job properly.
    If there is no such law then there should be imo.


    I can't speak for everyone, but if I were to ever have a dissability I would know that there are certain things that I cannot unfortunately do on my own anymore, sure I can try, and struggle and even succeed in doing some things, but the fact will be that I have a dissability, hence with some things I will need help, it's just common sense I think.
    This is all just PC too far.

    Very true :hehe:
     
  18. Ubermich

    Ubermich He did it!

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    I wish I could remember the flight... but a 747 (I believe, I just remember watching the tape, it's been a while) crash-landed. The landing gear didn't work and it landed on the belly, basically. An engine caught on fire. IIRC not everyone survived. But everyone could have if they'd acted as soon as the plane came to a stop.

    The problem with such situations is everyone has to be acting together to get everyone out. If someone isn't capable of working with everyone else, they pose a potential threat to the well-being of all the passengers.

    Say the plane hit the ground as the one mentioned above. How would the woman get out if there wasn't someone there specifically to help her out?

    And (depending on age, experience, and intelligence) the children may not have followed everyone else or tried to butt their way to the door in the situation. It is very easy to become scared and confused WITH knowing what's going on. After a shock of such a hard landing, and smelling smoke, I could easily see them becoming frightened and staying in their seats until everyone passed...
     
  19. -:: M@ ::-

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    And the difference between that, and having a Flight with someone from wales on that can only speak welsh at all, or someone from say a small indian country that can only speak that language.... and no one on the plane that can interpret them...there is just as big a communications break down between them and the flight crew as there is between deaf people, and deaf people are normally very very adapt at using hand signals to ask for what they want (not exactly sign language to someone) but making out what they want, wheras someone fluent in only one language might not be as good at explaining/asking for something with body gestures.....


    - M@
     
  20. MrWillyWonka

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    I totally agree - besides, there are some deaf people who were hearing, and suddenly became deaf the next day - yes that does happen, but they still have the ability to understand people easily, even if they are not lipreading.

    But back to the topic, Air France shouldnt have kicked off that woman, if there was an emergency on the plane, she would know that she would be in more of a danger than most others, but she accepted that fact and had the courage to go on the plane, so really Air France is condemning her bravery
     

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