Ya know, I can't disagree with you here. When this stuff goes on in the states, I chuckle. So many people go "Oh, police brutality...they beat him up, or shot him...all he was doin' was runnin' from them, wavin' a gun an screamin' how he was gonna cap 'em! He wasn't serious!" If you're running from the cops, they are going to pursue. If you continue to run, you're just stupid. The mosque thing, by the way, we're hearing over here now was just a threat that they wanted to keep everyone safe from. Is that true over there? Probably some sicko who decided to turn the tables and start bombing innocent muslims.
The weird thing about the shooting is it seems to have been a plain clothed "police officer" who shot while the guy was on the ground. Since when have the UK police force had armed plain clothed officers? and shot people on the ground without giving lots of warnings? BBC news seems to have caught on to this now. My bet is the Security service or SAS.
5 times, with the suspect on the ground sounds almost like an execution. Plain cloaths police do carry guns in the UK.
I must say, it sounded a little odd to me, too. 5 times, guy on the ground face down. Seems a LOT like an execution. Did they officially find out he posed no immediate danger?
inlight of recent events and the following i dont think so- he jumped over barriers and was running towards a train full of people. he ingored verbal warnings. there was a warning shot fired. and yet he still kept going, in that situation weather it turns out to be a terriorst or not they did the right thing.
i think the cop just shat his pants and shot him a few more times... the point of shooting them in the head is so that they dont have the chance to react and blow up anyway (after they've been shot). so being told that as a cop that you got to shoot him in the head fast or youll explode im sure he must have been cacking it and who can blame him i bet no more pikeys are gonna jump the booth for free train rides lol
All I'll say is that there'd better be some quick answers forthcoming. Police restraining a suspect and THEN shooting him worries me greatly about the state of control in this country.
shooting 5 times is nothing, if you think they could do anything, trigger something etc. you make sure they are not getting up again. kinda like terrorists with grenades you dont shoot once and check, you make sure they never get up again.
i think the realy awnser we need to know is HOW restrained was he. if they had managed to get him flat on the floor fingers spread and totaly pinned and then they shot him. it quite clearly is a brutal murder. if however if by restrained they mean knocked im to the ground and had a bit of a hold on him it, would only have a split second for him to set of a bomb, in which case he should have been shot. i think however if was differnt and he was not restrained when he was being shot, they were totaly correct in the decision. i think we need to wait for more info befor we make judgment about something that was obviously a difficult decision for the officers involved.
Fair enough, let's assume for a minute that he did infact mean semi-automatic. That means the black handgun wasn't a revolver. So that was a useless and very ambiguous side comment. Now what he meant doesn't really matter anymore. Let's face it, the average British citizen doesn't know an awful lot about guns (neither does the average US citizen to be fair). What does automatic mean to them? I think this is very relevant to the conversation. Comments like this do nothing but exacerbate the situation and add the the hysteria. How many people who read or heard that quote now think that regular police officers are carrying fully automatic handguns?
i think whoever it was just meant that the gun had the regular shape of an automatic. pretty much the same rough shape every pistol has, thats all. its not that i dont have much faith in cops but i wouldnt be suprised if he just blasted the guy cos he was scared or cos he was angry at whats going on etc... oh yeh im starting to notice on tv the latest bombers look like townies!!!
Does ANYBODY know if this guy was carrying a real bomb though? I think it was justified to shoot the guy tbh; heavy clothing, ignorance of verbal warning AND warning gunshots, and continuous running right for a station? Either this guy was a terrorist or was commiting suicide by cop...
He has been under surveilence for days aparently connected to terrorism activities. When he left his home on Friday morning undercover police followed him.. he went into the tube station and the rest is history.
if the cops shot everybody wearing heavy clothes that ignore instructions half the goths on this forum would be dead but even tho the cops could have had him pinned down, he could still have exploded himself. so i suppose he was asking for it
WTF so were talking about serious issues where a person died, 1 day after 4 attempted bombings and two weeks after 4 successful suicide bombings then you feel then need to jump in and say something that adds nothing to the thread AND insult's member of the forums
wtf im saying lots of people wear heavy clothing in the summer. and read the whole post its obvious i added to the thread. the day people in london are scared to crack jokes (about goths of all things) is the day the terrorists have won. dont get angry...
The police are now calling this a "blunder", as the guy they murdered has turned out to be nothing to do with the bombings at all. Whoops! The only thing terrorising me at the moment is the thought that I could be killed by the police for little or no reason...
he didn't stop when challenged, he jumped a ticket barrier. I'm not loosing sleep that he was killed.
