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News Universal Studios pans Blu-Ray

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Da Dego, 18 Sep 2006.

  1. CountStiltzkin

    CountStiltzkin New Member

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    ahhh Dreamcast, you'll always be a winner to me

    And no, I couldn't give a monkey's about bd v hd - i won't be buying into either for some time. Perfectly happy with dvd at the moment.
     
  2. Fod

    Fod what is the cheesecake?

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    depends on where you live... :idea:
     
  3. JADS

    JADS Et arma et verba vulnerant

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    Maybe a name change from Blu-Ray to UltraDVDofDoom might help then?

    I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are two more examples of the industry not really understanding their customers. Customers want a fair price for a fair product at the end of the day and they barely have that with DVD let alone the two new contenders to the throne.

    We wrestle with discs we can't back up, discs that won't play from country to country, adverts for yet more DVDs on discs we've paid for and over inflated prices. Add to that yet more outlay, extra copy protection and little to no benefit for 99% of consumers and you have two expensive turkeys on your hands.
     
  4. Iago

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    I'd say that DVD wasn't so important (if it were, we would all have betted on the PS3 and BD over X360 and standard DVD). Dreamcast lost because of the power of the PlayStation brand and because it was killed by Sony's PS2 hype. I remember pretty well, I worked in a video-games shop at the time of PS2 launch, and most people would firmly believe that the PS2 was "better", "more powerful", "had better graphics" etc. They wouldn't touch the Dreamcast with a 10 foot pole, no matter what you told them. The DVD was a plus, but not a deal maker or breaker, as back then, people still bought consoles with gaming in mind. Lack of certain developers and titles (MGS, FF, DMC) didn't helped neither.

    Had it not been for all the blunders of Sony's PR team and the atrocious launch price (specially again from a image and public relationship point of view), it's very likely that the X360 would have been the new Dreamcast. Unfortunately for Sony, in this era, hype is easier to notice, there's much more mainstream and specialised coverage of future launches and the wisdom of betting everything on Blu-ray (including PS3 success) is very questionable.



    Car analogies don't mix well with consumer electronic devices. You could say that the iPod is the Mercedes of the music players...short on features (basic equipment) and overpriced, but with a reputation of superior built quality and reliability and a mix of brand appeal and symbol of status. Now count how many iPods and how many iRivers you see any given day. Cars aren't bought with disposable income, but are a very important expense for most families. Consumer electronics, OTOH aren't. Most people can afford an iPod, but they can't afford a Mercedes, even though both occupy the same niche in their respective markets.

    Anyway... I agree that the BD situation is looking worse and worse each day for Sony. I nearly feel sorry for them, but I hope that a good spanking this generation wakes them up and forces them to get back to the standards of quality and innovation that they used to sport.
     
  5. sinizterguy

    sinizterguy Dark & Sinizter

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    Dont care who chooses who ... Just going to wait till it settles and one comes out better or dual-format players come out. And they have to become affordable too ... Not $1000.
     
  6. Firehed

    Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match.

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    No kidding. $45k/yr college means I'm pretty much living on a dealership. Way too many *students* with Porsches, let alone Mercedes. But as Iago pointed out, car metaphors don't translate especially well to electronics.

    I'll be waiting a while, but I very much think HD-DVD will win. I've purchased all of two DVDs in the past year or so, and one of them only because we were late to get it in where I worked (video store = free rentals) and I really wanted to see it again. They cost way too much for what they are, and have too many restrictions imposed. I'd happily see special features go if it meant that movies cost less, and the jump to HD isn't significant enough to warrant any extra price, let alone what they're asking. Sure, it's nice stuff, but not at the price they're asking, and certainly not with the added restrictions.

    When movies cost $10 or less and come formatted as my backups do (no protection of any sort, no extra crap that I have to sit through before the movie starts), I'll start buying again. All of the copy protection and whatnot, aside from being useless, isn't transparent to users, which means that they're annoyed by it. So the addition of more and rehashing of what's in existance won't bode well for either format.
     
  7. supermonkey

    supermonkey Deal with it

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    I get the feeling that the whole HD-DVD vs Blue Ray thing will end up just like the VHS vs Beta war. I think HD-DVD will win out for the general public market. People will get HD-DVD movies and players for their homes. Blue Ray, if it indeed is better quality, will be used by media outlets. Until the current digital movment, most media outlets used Beta equipment due to the inherent quality of the Beta format, despite VHS "winning" the format war of a couple decades ago.

    As someone said earlier, BD might be used for storage, and I think media outlets will use it for its quality features. I'm not so sure Sony nor the BD technology will die off because of this.

    Of course, I'm not exactly up with all of the details of the whole thing, so I could be completely wrong.

    -monkey
     
  8. xion

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    Format wars.... i really have dont have enought tech knoledge to make an educated assumption as to which format should assume market dominance. Anyone remember the DVD-r / DVD+r war? the only winner there awas a compromise in hardware, when was the last time you had to look to see if your device supported both formats... most are now combo by default... if there's not a clear winner, harware will mediate the battle.

    I'll buy in then, yes im cheap but ill wait till i can buy a drive without selling a kidney...
     
  9. Phil Rhodes

    Phil Rhodes Hypernobber

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    Hi,

    I have a sneaking suspicion that this will all become a completely moot point around the end of the year when the holographic stuff starts to make a splash. 300Gbyte discs won't need to crunch so hard, and as a video editor, they're much more useful a backup medium to me.

    Phil
     
  10. rupbert

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    As far as I'm aware though holographic media is suited more for storage?
     
  11. mikeuk2004

    mikeuk2004 What you Looking at Fool!

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    Does it really matter?????????

    Both can play my DVD's so I suppose it be Blu Ray for me as I will get a PS3 at some point. I use my xbox for DVD's on my TV and I wont be buyinging a standalone HD-DVD player or Blue Ray.

    So it all realy depends on if Microsoft build new 360's with a HD-DVD in it, for me to go HD-DVD. I wont buy the 360 HD-DVD addon as I see it as extra cash wasted for another unit messing up my living room.

    If they dont build it in then ill just have a 360 next year and a Blue Ray PS3 but still doesnt mean ill be buying films on it as there too expensive.
     
  12. Nikumba

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    I think you will find that both HD-DVD and BlueRay can not read old DVDs due to using a blue laser. Toshiba is working on a dual head laser to do this.

    Kimbie
     
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