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News US wants to ban online gambling

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by WilHarris, 5 May 2006.

  1. whisperwolf

    whisperwolf New Member

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    People only think drugs are bad now due to hightend media coverage, a couple of hundred years ago and we would have been so of our faces on opium to care. As to it being restricted online thats only the case if you continue to use the same form of payment i believe, just switch credit card to continue. and those that have a habit will simply use the online facilities to stem their need till they can rush to a bookies later.

    oh and Spec sorry for not being specific lets go with Barbiturates and although gambling has none of the physical addiction problems the mental addiction generated by stimulating the pleasure centers is just as problematic. People with mental problems are not a weak, they have an illness, treat it as such.
     
  2. specofdust

    specofdust Banned

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    No problem, and heh, Barbs, theres an addiction that doesn't last long :D

    Anyway, while I agree that people get "mentally addicted" to gambling, I think the quotation marks are important, since the term mental addiction isn't one that makes a lot of sense to me. The addiction is not physical, the body does not need it, only the ego part of the mind does. As we all know, we're(mostly) in control of our minds. When we're not, its generally because our brains are physically malfunctioning. Since theres no psysical malfunction with gambling "addicts" its a choice thing. Making the wrong choice repeatedly doesn't cound as addiction as far as I'm concerned, it counts as stupidity.

    I do have compassion for anyone experiencing an actual mental illness, or even say psychological trauma due to something terrible happening to them, but, getting "addicted" to gambling is dumb and silly.
     
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  3. Risky

    Risky Well-Known Member

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    [Waving Very Large Flag]But it's not, actually, the US Goverment......[/Waving...etc]
     
  4. sadffffff

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    it should get banned. its rediculous that you can gamble on the internet when its illegal in real life.
     
  5. Tulatin

    Tulatin The Froggy Poster

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    So how exactly WILL they police/ban the offshore sites? Throw some coastguards on a boat, and sail over to the hosts "Uhm, sorry boys, you can't run this here site no more, uncle dubya says.".

    What'll they do? Thank em for the boat, and let them swim home.
     
  6. Callum

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    Tell that to one of my Dad's empoyees. He's over 60, and still having to work 8 hours a day every day to pay off his son's gambling debts. Working in the maintenance staff... Labour.

    Not hurt people? This guy has no money for anything but the bare esentials, can't retire... Want to rethink that?
     
  7. Tulatin

    Tulatin The Froggy Poster

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    Slight problem there. The son ran himself up some debts, and seemed to meet a sorry end. This was the fault of the son, not the game. It's like blaming the gun for the murder, and saying the use of it was harmless. I realize these are both totally seperate things, but people need to see, or be shown that help needs to be sought, rather than held back from things. After all, if something's illegal, isn't that all the more incentive to give it a try sometimes?
     
  8. Constructacon

    Constructacon Constructing since 1978

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    The ban hammer isn't what's needed here. Regulation over the availability is what's needed. With 1% of the worlds poplulation yet 21%* of the worlds poker machines gambling is waaaaaaaaay to easy to get to here with obvious results. The affects on familys is the biggest concern - parents gambling away money which is needed for the kids wellbeing. I mean if a lone adult gambles away so much they can't eat eventually they'll die. The problem corrects itself in the long run(yes that's deliberatly inflamatory). But with kids it's a different matter. They are the innocent bystanders here in a situation they have no control over.

    These spirited US politicians could be just trying to avoid some of the problems that we are facing here (it's a nice dream). Admittedly I don't know how they can do that. Removing/limiting numbers of physical gambling machines/bookies office is easy but online gambling is a much more difficult situation. specofdust's Great American Firewall is just scary however. Maybe they should be more actively pushing responsible gambling including help to those who feel they have a problem (and those who deny they have one too).

    *Statistic from here
     
  9. yahooadam

    yahooadam <span style="color:#f00;font-weight:bold">Ultra cs

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    betting money that they cant afford to lose is their fault

    online gambling wouldnt neccisarily stop that, if you went to a casino you would have the same problem

    they seem to want to ban it beacause people are doding taxes. ..
     
  10. mattyt

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    And many people outside of the U.S. can't understand why it's legal for anyone to own a gun either, so there we go. (I suppose many in the States also).

    Sometimes it is helpful to remove the source causes of things that are potentially harmful. So in this case it would be harder to get a gambling addiction if it was not easily possible to gamble online.

    Then again those those not of a 'weaker mind' as someone else put it would be put out if they wanted to gamble online.

    Anyway, yes, this isn't about moral highground, the U.S. government would rather people gamble their dollars in an environment where they can be appropriately taxed than one where they can't.

    (BTW in my opinion gambling is wrong, but as I just stated, this idea is nothing to do with 'right and wrong' it's to do with taxation)
     
  11. ZERO <ibis>

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    wow the need to stay out of the internet they do not need to make laws like this over the internet. the point of the internet is to allow people to excersize the right to a free information and activities without hurting anyone. a law baning americans from child internet porn = makes sence b/c it is hurting innocent people. but making moral laws based on gambling being inmoral is underminding the seperation of church and state. the goverment needs to start working on fixing problems not ignorging them to make new ones.
     
  12. mattyt

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    Church and state?! Did you read the article, it has nothing to do with that at all!
    It is because they are losing tax money that would be made on 'regular' gambling to online sites that avoid paying tax via loopholes (e.g. offshore sites).

    THAT is why they want to make it illegal, to help recouperate money.
     
  13. Aphex_

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    Wow... yet again america has gotten scared of something, surprise surprise, that they can't control. queue knee jerk, and you can bet (no pun intended) that george "dubua" is there looking for the trigger of his on-line nukes...

    God i hate american politics, some1 really should invade them and give them another form of governance. I guess us brits did it once before, why not do it again? anyone else in!!??
     
  14. mattyt

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    Us brits did it once before? What part of history are you talking about here?

    In theory the US system of government and election should be among the best. Before the constitution was written the committee spent some time just examining every form of government and how the had worked in various countries.

    Humanly speaking, I think one of the biggest problems to america is that there are only two parties that count. On many issues they are polar opposites so there is a disparity between the democrats and republicans.

    On the other hand, in this country with Labour, Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives they are all so obsessed with pleasing people that they are kinda all much of a muchness now. I know there is spin and propoganda in America, but when that's ALL there is why would you choose to vote.

    No party in the UK would dare to propose legislation like this because it would cost too much in terms of popularity, at least the americans don't mind doing things on principle, even if it's often done hypocritically or for ulterior motives.

    As i'm going to say for the last time in this thread, I think this is simply to do with taxes (under the guise of 'legality'). All the bit-tech report says is "a U.S. House of Representatives subcommittee on Wednesday approved a bill" It doesn't say who submitted the bill or anything like that. So I had a look online (could we please have sources in future) and it's being sponsored by Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Rick Boucher (D-Va.). So it's actually coming from a Republican AND Democrat.

    P.S. Before you start dismissing systems of government perhaps it would help to know something about how they actually work? I can recommend Alistar Cooke's 'America' as a readable history of the USA and how/why the government was formed as it is.
     
  15. Tulatin

    Tulatin The Froggy Poster

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    They don't dismiss the form of government, they dismiss the children flinging poop about in freshly painted offices, you know, the ones running the damn thing?
     
  16. ContingenctPlan

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    The quote in the article states that these sites are dodging taxes by baseing themselves abroad.
     
  17. Callum

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    Well, you also have legal gun ownership, which in my opinion is just ridiculous. Making something illegal doesn't suddenly mean that it will shoot up in popularity. Certainly some people will now be drawn to it because of the "Ooh, I'm doing something naughty," factor, but it should become more difficult to get a hold of. And there are deterrent factors that dissuade some people from doing it.

    Saying, "If something is illegal, more people will do it," is not at all correct.
     
  18. Faulk_Wulf

    Faulk_Wulf Internet Addict

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    Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining that. :)
     
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