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Hardware Utopia Ballista Limited Edition Review

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Meanmotion, 15 Aug 2013.

  1. Meanmotion

    Meanmotion bleh Moderator

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  2. mi1ez

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    Won't the heat from the GPU recirculate through the PSU?
     
  3. mi1ez

    mi1ez Active Member

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    Scratch that. Not looking hard enough. Too early in the morning!
     
  4. Maki role

    Maki role Dale you're on a roll... Staff

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    As pre-builds go, this is really rather nice, although I do question what they were thinking when they went with Aurora for the coolant. Sure it looks awesome, but so do Mayhem's UV Green and their pastel Green. Both of those would have been much more practical in this type of system. I wouldn't expect the prospective owners to want to have to service this thing themselves every few months, and sending it off instead would leave a sour taste in the mouths of many.

    Just seems like they would save themselves a fair bit if effort by not using Aurora. Also, dang that CPU gets toasty, I'm unhappy when mine reaches 65 in intel burn test, 91 would be a little uncomfortable to say the least. A particularly hot day could push that up a fair bit towards throttling levels I'd have thought.

    In terms of raw value though, considering the changes and time involved, plus the good components used, that's not an unfair price.
     
  5. Apoptosis

    Apoptosis New Member

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    I don't see the sense in having a WC loop and then failing to cool the graphics card as well. I know there are space constraints, but it still seems like a lost opportunity.
     
  6. Hustler

    Hustler Well-Known Member

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    Nope.

    Spending that much on a PC these days is absurd.

    You can 80-90% of the performance for half that price...if you know what you're doing, then in 18mths build another system for a £1000 and get a PC 50% faster than this spec.

    Systems like this are built for the lazy or the too stupid to know any better.
     
  7. DrTiCool

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    I miss wheels on that case
     
  8. Maki role

    Maki role Dale you're on a roll... Staff

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    Well I think a bit of context is required here. For gaming at 1080p, sure it's a bit confusing. But if you want to game at max settings on say 5760x1080 or 2560x1440 spending that much is almost a requirement if you want some good framerates. Now that's purely in relation to the sum of money, not this build, which of course should be valued at closer to £1600 for comparison's sake (lower if you exclude the WC).

    Of course there are other uses to take into account. For instance, I didn't have any qualms with dropping that same figure on just a pair of GPUs and their respective waterblocks. I've gotten a great deal of use out of them for 3D rendering, which is somewhere marginal performance increases can make a big difference in.

    As for:

    Eh I can't say I disagree too much. I wouldn't have thought there would be too many with both the budget and interest for this kind of system. Most that want a watercooled, top end system I'd have thought would want to build it themselves. And many who don't want to DIY, would go for a higher end outfit (like with P0pe's Project N.V. or Singularity Computers) to get the most out of the opportunity.
     
  9. mikemaher205

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    I wouldn't say all people who buy pre-water cooled systems are lazy. I have seriously considered buying a pre-build Scan system, even though I've built my own systems and repaired friends machines for a while now. It's the fact I can just plug and play (literally). I travel about a lot so finding the time to sit still and build a system can be tough, but being able to still fully choose a system that suits my needs and not have to worry about making time to build it is a bonus.

    Still, majority of us on here are here because we love taking PCs apart. For fun. When bored.
     
  10. SMIFFYDUDE

    SMIFFYDUDE Supermodders on my D

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    LOL @ the £25 discount on a £2000 PC.
     
  11. ksyruz

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    This is absurd, for a water loop that costs £300(the other £100 for labour) and does not out perform a corsair h80i which can be added for £80. For such a price premium they should have created their own case for improved water cooling on CPU, GPU, RAM, and chipsets.
     
  12. AlienwareAndy

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    Hmmm.

    Whilst this particular system doesn't interest me much (firstly it has Mayhem coolant in it - eeeeyuck) I just had a poke around Utopia's site.

    I opted out of the water cooling system because TBH a H80i will cool almost as well (IMO) and specced up the following.

    Ballista [Intel X79] (SYS-BALLISTA-X79)
    £1,278.03
    £1,278.03
    Remove from cart

    Customizations:
    THE UTOPIA DIFFERENCE: Truly Custom PCs: Want a component that's not on our site? Anything from a different
    case to a specialist sound card... Just call or email us and we will include it in your PC!
    Included
    PROMOTIONS: £25 Instant Saving! BACK TO SCHOOL SPECIAL *Limited time!*
    £-25.00
    CUSTOM PAINT - EXTERIOR: Dodge Challenger Yellow - Metallic Finish
    £89.00
    CASE: SilverStone Fortress FT03 Chassis w/ Advanced Vertical Heat Dissipation
    Included
    CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-3820 @ 3.60GHz (Sandy Bridge-E - Socket 2011)
    Included
    UTOPIAN PROLINE CPU OVERCLOCKING SERVICE: Yes! PROLINE Overclock my system for maximum performance!
    CPU COOLING: Corsair H80i Dual Fan Advanced High Peformance Liquid Cooler
    Included
    MOTHERBOARD: ASRock X79 Extreme4-M Intel X79 Micro ATX (Socket 2011)
    Included
    MEMORY: 8GB Corsair® Vengeance™ DDR3 1600MHz (2x4GB) [SPECIAL OFFER]
    Included
    GRAPHICS CARD: NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX TITAN 6GB GDDR5 [ULTIMATE]
    £569.01
    POWER SUPPLY: 650W Corsair® VS Series™ Utopia Certified PSU
    Included
    HARD DRIVE BAY 1: 250GB Samsung 840 Series SATA 3 6Gb/s Solid-State Drive [SPECIAL OFFER]
    £56.28
    HARD DRIVE BAY 2: 250GB Samsung 840 Series SATA 3 6Gb/s Solid-State Drive [SPECIAL OFFER]
    £81.27
    OPTICAL DRIVE: 8X Dual Layer DVD RW Drive Slot Loading
    Included
    SOUNDCARD: FREE! Integrated High Definition Audio
    Included
    NETWORK CARD: Integrated 10/100/1000Mbps Gigabit Ethernet
    Included
    OPERATING SYSTEM: None - I'll install my own Operating System
    £-59.60
    UTOPIAN PREMIER TOUCH: Premium colour-coded internal sleeved cabling
    £24.99
    UTOPIAN DIGITAL PERFECTION: Manufactured & supported in the UK - Flawless craftsmanship & Cable management!
    Included
    UTOPIAN TRANSIT ARMOR: EXCLUSIVE TO UTOPIA! - Utopian Transit Armour
    Included
    UTOPIAN NO-FAIL GUARANTEE: FREE! 30 days No-Fail Confidence Guarantee
    Included
    WARRANTY: FREE! 1 Year Part Replacement and 10 year Labour with Lifetime Support
    Included
    UTOPIAN VIP EXPRESS-BUILD: FREE! Despatched in 7-10 working days [STANDARD]
    Included
    Reconfigure Ballista [Intel X79]
    Product Subtotal: £2,013.98

    Oddly enough it costs about the same yet, I would imagine, would pretty much poo on the system you reviewed here. I would of course be running the two 250gb SSDs in Raid 0.

    I went to Scan and specced up the same system and it cost about £100 less in parts. However, note I have added the custom yellow paint..

    As it would happen I am pretty much in the market for a £2000 PC and Utopia have surprised me greatly (mostly because they charge part prices for additions and not stupid made up prices like every one else these days !!).

    I will admit with a £2000 system I would be worried of assembling it myself. Thus, as soon as the funds come in Utopia and I will become friends.

    Utopia if you are reading this... I still want the £25 off :p
     
  13. .//TuNdRa

    .//TuNdRa Resident Bulldozer Guru

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    Is it just me; or is a section of tubing kinking in the images shown? Surely that'd make the pump have to work a little harder than it ought to. (The section between the CPU block and the Res.)
     
  14. SuicideNeil

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    Bare in mind you are looking at retail prices on the Utopia & Scan websites- the wholesale price the retailer pays the manufacturer/distributer is somewhat less so there is still a fair mark up in price between what the retailer pays & what the end user/buyer pays for components. But yeah, it's nice to see someone not charging stupidly high mark-ups just because they installed the parts for you...
     
  15. fluxtatic

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    If you're not looking to watercool or the like - you seriously don't have a couple hours to put together a PC? I'm not being sarcastic - I noticed it when I changed out my case a while back and did some of the usual maintenance while I was about it - took off the HSF and redid the thermal paste, blew out the fans with compressed air, etc.

    I gutted my system and rebuilt it in the new case, then gutted my wife's system and put it in my old case and replaced the HSF in hers, etc. All told it was nearly the same as doing two fresh builds, and it took about three hours.

    (What's funny is when I tell people I'm building a PC that's going in my car, they're mystified. If they're interested, I tell them it's taken all summer because I'm building the case from scratch, not just plugging in the RAM and whatnot - that took half an hour. If they don't know better, they have this impression building a PC must be massively complicated since I've spent all weekend, every weekend on it since May...but half of that's because I'm an idiot.)
     
  16. Pie_uk

    Pie_uk British beef, in Britain

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    that loop looks crushed.. just saying
     
  17. walle

    walle Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps the most expensive trash can, or as the English would say, rubbish bin, I've ever seen.
     
  18. David

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    Yes, it does look a bit cramped. Combine that with the relative high maintenance of the Mayhems fluid and most people would agree that a H80i would have been a better choice. They could add some LED lighting to the case to make use of the window.

    BTW, what has happened to the forums? They've disappeared.
     
  19. andrew8200m

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    Looks like a poorly made version of my own PC... same case, same colour, same board, cpu, gpu...

    Just a shame its 700MHz slower, has slow ram that doesnt take advantage of the new CPU and its memory capability, a kinked watercooling system when air will be fine and has water cooling fluid that needs replacing after 6 months...

    I forsee an RMA within 7-8months...
     
  20. AlienwareAndy

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    Crikey put the claws away !

    It's amazing how annoyed PC enthusiasts get by a company who make pre built computers.

    I've been reading this -

    http://www.utopiacomputers.co.uk/?module&id=utopia-experience

    And it seems they offer proper wooden shipping crates without charging $30 for them like OriginPC.

    I'm sold. As soon as the money comes in I am ordering. Any company that offers a custom painted PC with a custom wooden shipping crate and the build quality these guys do for part prices? I will be more than happy to place my order (I can't wait now really getting excited :D )
     
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