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News Virgin Media and BPI to punish sharers

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by CardJoe, 1 Apr 2008.

  1. steveo_mcg

    steveo_mcg What's a Dremel?

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    From reading around it looks like the BPI will be in Torrent swarms as opposed to active monitoring from VM. So it looks like the honeypot solution just now, however with this] in the post i wouldn't rule out active monitoring in the future.
     
  2. captainawesome

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    One of the main reasons I use bittorrent is to download Lost, which I do because I have Virgin Media instead of Sky, and Sky One is no longer available through Virgin Media.

    So, if I can't use bittorrent any more, what's the obvious route for me to watch Lost now?

    Hmmmm....
     
  3. Leitchy

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    What happened to Torrent encryption anyways. Is that still a viable means of protecting what they see, or is that only for traffic throttling?
     
  4. DarkReaper

    DarkReaper Alignment: Sarcastic Good

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    *******s... This may prove something of an inconvenience to several people I know.
     
  5. Demon Cleaner

    Demon Cleaner What's a Dremel?

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    Well, the article seems to suggest that they will connect directly to you using bit torrent, so encryption wouldn't make any difference. Encryption just fools your isp into giving that type of protocol priority over p2p protocol (as well as a way to circumvent throttling).


    I use to use proxy tunnelling software when I was at Uni to connect to a tracker. Does that offer any protection? I thought it did until I read somewhere that a peer can inspect TCP packets to find the original IP (or is that just when you use use regular proxies? - I'm no technical expert). Might have to use Usenet more often if o2 bring this in.
     
  6. mmorgue

    mmorgue What's a Dremel?

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    Just stick to usenet and make it even harder for BPI to invade your privacy. Especially if your usenet provider is a) located in another country and b) you connect to then securely and c) the usenet server keeps no logs.

    While still not impossible to catch you, it is far less likely than using p2p..
     
  7. leexgx

    leexgx CPC hang out zone (i Fix pcs i do )

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    this not affect me (usernet+SSL) but why would virgin do this its stuped as if thay cut them off next thing that will happen the customer will jsut stop the DD (not pay the final bill) and get sky and goto an BT line and virgin will never see that customer agane

    for the most part you just need to find out where there clients are running from and blacklist there ips or jsut simpley Blacklist the UK and use out of uk peers only or thats alot easyer use giganews + newzbin

    makes note needs to fix my own server mobo died
     
  8. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    Alternatively.... and here's a novel idea. Buy your albums?

    Nah, don't be daft. Why would anyone do that? :rolleyes:

    It looks like they will only be keeping tabs on music downloads (being the BPI and all), so I don't see any reason why they would care about anyone downloading Lost, or any other TV, films or software for that matter.
     
  9. z3rb

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    I'd love to if:
    The money went to the artists, rather than the greedy *******s at BPI/RIAA et al.
    I weren't a poor 16 year old who likes to discover new music that isn't easy to find on CD for a sane price.
    CDs didn't cost £10-£15 for maybe 40 odd minutes of music.
    iTunes etc didn't suck.

    That being said, if I truely love the artist/album, I'll generally buy the album. I just can't afford to all the time.
     
  10. Mister_Tad

    Mister_Tad Will work for nuts Super Moderator

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    Then don't buy it.

    No doubt that most of the music industry's business model is flawed in the extreme, but I think people thinking that they have a right to listen to music is also flawed. Music isn't a right, its a luxury, if you can't afford it then you can go without.

    I just hope to see more artists following NIN and Radiohead's lead, as it makes a whole lot more sense and I'd rather not have physical media anyway. When I buy a CD, it gets ripped and then goes in to a box in a cupboard never to see the light of day again.
     
  11. squeck

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    So does anyone know if you get hit with the third strike and are disconnected if they terminate your contract? That would be quite nice being a student, as I wouldn't have to pay the remainder of my 12 month contract when i've moved out of my house!
     
  12. pendragon

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    ouch.. this bites for you folks across the pond :( sorry to hear it, if this is true
     
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    And it would be the pornographic industry working with VIRGIN Media, those two don't seem like they go together ;)
     
  14. Neoki

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    So basicly some one like giganews is ok to use
     
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    Go Virgin! First ITs PHORM now its TORRENTs. Wow and i liked mr Branson. Thought he would ahve halp us stick it to the man. Instead he is the man. :(
     
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    I'd go with a usenet provider that doesn't keep logs and is located in a country with a questionable justice system that isnt easily accessible for our government.. but yes, virgin is too stupid to realize that those pirating stuff will simply use a different service, it's like speeding, the police puts up more cameras, those speeding simply buy more warning devices...
     
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    While i hate to spoil a good rant, ntl: (virgin as was) have been doing this for many, many years. (so have other ISP's but i have never worked for them so i dont know exactly how they ran things)

    The copyright holders would send a letter in saying on dd/mm/yy ip address 123.123.123.123 was downloading/sharing a file that we own the rights too. Tell then to stop it sharpish.

    The abuse dept forwarded this letter on the customers saying that you need to stop otherwise we will cut you off.

    If the same person did the same again they would be warned again, and told if they do it again they will be cut off.

    Many years back when I used to sit next to the abuse guys they were doing maybe 10-20 of these a day and closing quite a few peoples accounts.

    So nothing has changed they are now just telling people thats what they are doing.

    And remember its not the downloading they care about it the SHARING or publishing as they call it.
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    Also remember virgin dont care what you do, they are trying to make sure that they dont get sued too much by the copyright holders, so they pass the buck when ever possible.

    Besideds if virgin lose a few people that are running flat out 24/7 they are really not going to care. All that does its ease network conjestion for the 90% of users that are not running flat out.
     
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  20. steveo_mcg

    steveo_mcg What's a Dremel?

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    He didn't NTL bought Virgin Mobile and then like many companies licensed the Virgin brand. Virgin Trains for example is 1% owned by Virgin group the rest ifs pretty much stagecoach (?).
     
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