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News Vista updates improve compatibility, performance

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 9 Aug 2007.

  1. perplekks45

    perplekks45 LIKE AN ANIMAL!

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    Sorry, I'm an idiot... studying computer sciences....

    I KNOW what RAM is made for! But jusk to piss you off: Why should I store data in my RAM that I might eventually maybe need later? I agree that's something to argue about but just my 2 pence added here.
     
  2. TheVoice

    TheVoice What's a Dremel?

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    If the RAM is sitting there doing nothing, why not?
     
  3. SNIPERMikeUK

    SNIPERMikeUK What's a Dremel?

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    Just installed the 2 updates on x64

    The larger of the two updates gave me a blue screen of death crash, when it was shutting downafter install, but seems to have been installed fine. On the whole vista home premium x64 has done me proud, it is mainly problems with itunes ect I have, it is a lot quicker than my system was with xp running on it.
     
  4. Kipman725

    Kipman725 When did I get a custom title!?!

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    more cpu time used when a program starts or a program starts demanding more ram as the operating system has to decide where to get the ram from etc. instead of just giving the program a load of address which it knows is free.

    As for linux... the ram usage is less than vista but more than xp on most of my boxes. It seems to keep a percentage free as the more ram you add the more it uses.
     
  5. quack

    quack Minimodder

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    I agree, UAC is annoying in its default mode, but if you use TweakUAC and switch to the Quiet mode, Vista is a lot more user friendly. Turning UAC off completely can actually cause you problems since doing so disables write access to the Temp folder.
     
  6. Nedsbeds

    Nedsbeds Badger, Slime, Weasel!!

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    Because ram is a lot faster than your disk...
    And there isn't anything to argue about. It simply makes a lot of sense.
     
  7. smoothie

    smoothie What's a Dremel?

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    I'm having a lot of problems with driver compatibiliy with Vista x64. Many more than I feared I'd have.
    Is it possible to run Vista x86 on 64-bit processors?
    How would I go about swapping my OS to Vista 32-bit Edition?
     
  8. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    Vista 32bit will work fine on a 64 bit processor. Not sure if you can swap though.
     
  9. Da Dego

    Da Dego Brett Thomas

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    It works fine :) But requires a full reinstall.

    I use the x64 and it works great. Lots of things SAY they don't have drivers, but if you just right-click in device manager and set it to "update driver" it will miraculously find one. I had these problems with my wireless card, for instance.
     
  10. iwog

    iwog Linux cursed

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    Question, how do you magically update drivers if the device you're trying to update is your only connection to the interwebs.
     
  11. Ramble

    Ramble Ginger Nut

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    Get another network card?
     
  12. capnPedro

    capnPedro Hacker. Maker. Engineer.

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    Cat5e cable. Saviour of the universe.

    Assuming that your motherboard's onboard NIC is recognized. Which Vista does a very good job of doing, actually.
     
  13. Da Dego

    Da Dego Brett Thomas

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    I suppose it depends which interweb you want to connect to. The toobs are full on many of them. But if you get one that's not, you can access it by your onboard LAN. I (very honestly) can't think of a board that doesn't have that feature that would even RUN vista.

    I may be an odd one, but I assemble my computers and get them all updated and patched up near two things - a working second computer, and a wired net router. THEN I take them where they'll spend their working lives. But then again, I may just be jaded from too many of those "everything you need is right in the box..." experiences.
     
  14. Woodstock

    Woodstock So Say We All

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    hmmm ok it would be ignorance to vista then, was never really that interested in anything in it other than DX10, so when a game is launched vista removes stuff from the ram to fit the game?

    how does vista compare to xp then in games (fps wise) and benchmarks like super pi
     
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  15. Ramble

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    The cached stuff in RAM is effectively free RAM, that's how the programs would see it and that's how you should see it since Vista will free up the cache instantly if a program needs it.
    In terms of FPS Vista is close, within 10fps of XP. But shoddy drivers so far have tainted the view.
    Superpi is identical for me.

    Vista actually has a new memory manager, so it's not just resource hungry, it's managing that memory in a totally different (and better) way.
     
  16. perplekks45

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    So freeing up the RAM then load data is basically faster than just load data I guess? Sorry but thats utter crap. There ARE scenarios where this solution is definitly more useful than just keeping RAM load as small as possible and maybe even Windows IS such a scenario with a whole lot of data being used over and over again but as far as I understood the whole cache/RAM/storage thing each access costs time and READ, (ERASE), WRITE is slower than just READ, WRITE. As I said, if the benefits from keeping data in the RAM are big enough then it's making perfect sense as some ERASE calls now and then don't have that much impact on a system's performance then. But if there is a lot of different data permanently changing that needs to be erased and re-written into RAM then I'd say just keeping the load small should be the better solution.

    Sorry for being annoying, maybe not my day. ;)

    // edit: @ Ramble: Just a quick question: Is Vista still destributing RAM to other devices such as GFX cards? My 8800GTS/640 had 8xx or more MB of memory to address under Vista. Just wondering.
     
  17. Ramble

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    It takes a couple of nanoseconds to erase memory. I can't image even a German's reaction times being that fast.
     
  18. Bungle

    Bungle Rainbow Warrior

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    Had Vista since April and so far the OS has been faultless. Had major stability problems running older games like quake 3 , wolfenstein ET so have bitten the bullet and done like a few others and installed a dual boot with XP. Have to say, Vista has been the best OS i've used so far from initial release. The score system for your hardware is a good idea for the average user so that you can gauge how the software will perform on it. The aero browser is great when looking through all those windows. Takes a while to learn your way around but overal Vista is very polished IMHO.
     
  19. Woodstock

    Woodstock So Say We All

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    hmmmm thats interesting then lol, so how much ram does vista use if you get rid of the caching
     
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    That would lead us to "No matter what both solutions are almost equal performance-wise..." right? ;)
     
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