Hey guys I'm planing to upgrade soon enough. My question is should i wait and see what Intel new socket is like when it comes out as it will be replacing 1156? Also should ram prices be Coming down along with it due to Intel bring out there new ram process Around the same time(I don't know exactly whats happening all i heard is that prices should be coming down) I'm in no rush to upgrade my CPU Etc as i only use my PC for basic tasks when its not gaming. im thinking of some thing like an I5 750 or maybe a dual core as a quad might not be necessary Thanks for any replies Niall
Is there any point in waiting to see what the new CPU's & m/b's will be like to upgrade your graphics card? Have I read that right? I am fairly sure that the PCI-E slot won't change with the new m/b's...
Sorry i really didn't explain it that clearly. My question is if i should wait to early next year to buy as the new socket might have better performance.I shouldn't of put anything about the GPU at all
Ummmm... i'm not sure that anyone can answer this for you but you yourself... Well, it's the nature of tech that things will be faster/better/have more features/etc in the future, but on that basis no one would buy anything as they'd all be waiting for that next leap in tech (followed by another & another...). So it's really down to asking yourself some questions; kind of like - "can i live with what i've got for 7-8 months?" // "is the gain for 7-8 months worth not having the best thing later?" "whilst i've got the cash now, will i blow it on other stuff over 7-8 months & not be able to upgrade at all or would i sensibly be able to save more & get something much better?" etc... Oh, & in contrast to what Fingers66 said, the pci-e 3.0 spec should be finalised this year though whether it will actually be on the first set of the next generation of mobos is anyone's guess at this point.
Or whether it will be useful in any way. PCIE2 delivered no performance benefits with single cards. If you only plan to use a single GPU, waiting for PCIE 3 will likely be pointless (though it may make 4x PCIE crossfire usable.
I don't understand the question at all. Is new technology going to come out in the future? Of course it is. Is it going to be faster than what we have at the moment? Of course it is.
He is asking your opinion on weather if it would be wiser to buy now (good prices?) or best to wait 7-8 month when the new stuff comes out and get for about the same price as now, potentially better technology?
Then hes asking a stupid question as its unanswerable, being as no one can see into the future with a crystal ball.
Here is the answer: - It's way too early to know, as we have no information on the coming up products. The time we know, it might be at best 1-2 months before the product is released. - If you are able to know what your needs are, then building a computer that fits these needs with a little more, will provide you with a computer that should be comfortable and enjoyable to use for years to come. For instance, look at my computer on my signature. My CPU cost 700$ back in January 2006. Today, if I exclude gaming and even put back the original GPU I had (Geforce 6600GT 128MB), I can say this system is more than enough for my needs. Windows 7 64-bit (and Vista), runs super smoothly, and all the latest software (Zune, Firefox 3/4, Office 2010, etc..) runs beautifully. Sure compiling completed projects take a bit of a time, but it's not really an issue for me... it's under a 30sec wait (it's just seams long as you do nothing, mixed with the excitement in seeing the results). With the Geforce GTX 260, I can play the latest games at max max settings, under 1920x1200. Sadly I need to overclock quiet a bit my CPU to get constant playable frame rate on games who are CPU intensive. For instance TF2 can be choppy when lots' of players are on visual range, Street Fighter 2 goes at 25-30fps and not 60fps as it should. However, Modern Ware 2, Batman AA, run super smoothly, despite being newer games. So now, like you I am thinking about do I upgrade now, or in December?! For that question for me, the answer is: as it's the CPU the problem, lower graphical settings doesn't really help. So I need to upgrade my CPU (in result, I need to also upgrade my motherboard and RAM). Therefor the question I ask: Is there any and new cool games I would love to play from now until December/January. - The question should apply to you as well, can you wait or not?! December you'll probably have interesting specials. Assuming that new products will be out in January (rare case.. as no one has money after the holidays to buy something expensive), so more likely early summer. Can you wait a year? or until the new stuff comes out, and the price reduces a bit?! If not to all questions, than build a system now. - Word of advise: No mater what you do, you ALWAYS loose in technology. Even if you are engineer in several companies, somehow, and know all the coming up product, you won't win, as the time the product arrives to store shelf, you are working on a product that that is sooooooo much better, it's on a paper, or even actually in prototype... you can't have it, it's not ready yet. The Winning solution is too not get the latest and greatest thing, but rather, get something that fits your needs.
your thinking of getting a i5 750... why bother waiting... they will mostly bring out higher end CPU's anyway... there's never any point waiting.. because when it does come out it will costs lots of money no matter how good or bad it is
Thanks for the replies guys.i though there was more info about the upcoming socket released that there obviously was.Waiting until January isn't really a problem especially if ram prices come down. If they do i might be able to afford an SSD aswell. I'm also having CPU problem in games especially TF2 and i feel putting in a new E8400 will be a waste and that ill will have to upgrade again the next year. i know i will miss out in technology but if i know prices will come down by January ill wait
Whilst my recollection is that this was the case initially (for example the GT8800/3870s only gained around 1-2% from pci-e 2.0 if i'm remembering correctly), (along with improving CF/SLi) from the GTX280 or 1GB 4870 upwards, it did make a more noticeable difference... Okay, there's still not *that* many single cards that actually out perform these two & so it's likely that the first set of pci-e 3.0 cards will lose nothing by being in a 2.0 slot, but if someone were looking to wait for tangible upgrade capabilities then it would be worth considering. &, of course, gfx cards aren't the only thing that use pci-e slots - for example there are benefits to raid controllers using smaller pci-e slots but at higher revisions; ie (in theory at least) you could use half of the total pci-e lane count available on the mobo/chipset but maintaining speed using the 2.0 rather than the 1.0 spec... (& half as many again using 3.0)
Following shoxicwaste comment: That is very true, and to add: We are not waiting for something revolutionary like back in old days for 64-bit CPU, or true dual core 64-bit CPU's, or the first programmable GPU, or something crazy like that that would show a big and large improvement in system performance, even to an average user. - We have enough memory for day to day things and even gaming (4GB) - Few games are made in 64-bit, and those who are don't even really take advantage of it, as they have a 32-bit version. So there is plenty of room to grow here - Triple Channel Memory is more than enough for anyone needs... dual channel is all you need in reality, unless you do specific memory heavy processing, like complex simulation or something. Today's programs and games are not advance enough to take advantage of it, and we not even close to it. It MIGHT (being hopeful here) be starting to be inserting in the 5-6 years from now... by that time you'll start looking for a new system. - More Core, so what? We barely use Dual core to start with, Windows Vista/7 is the main software that actually benefit from a multi-core CPU. Sure they are some games, and some software, but they are very few today. Quad Core is already being safe ensuring that the few Quad Core games like GTA4 (badly optimized), will run smoothly. Quad Core with HT, is already being extra safe. I would get one only if it's on special and it's the same or close to the same price as one without HT. I am sure than from now on, at this post-recession area, where the big part has past, and we are recovering, some slower than other... but at least it's not going more down. Game companies would or are investing in new game innovations and features, making them more and more fancy where the additional performance of multi-core will come.. But, I don't expect this time soon.. mainly because of XP large ass market share. Already we don't even true DX10/11 games (effects here and there in a game doesn't count). -
So i think ill be safe with an I5 750. Well im getting a new GFX first and then ill get new Cpu,Ram,motherboard
This - is a wise post. Unfortunately, due to my case 4 HDDs and cooling situation, I can't just drop a recent gaming GPU into my system, which is basically the same, but with 2gig of RAM and a 3800 X2. OP, take a look at my longevity build thread. Then bear in mind the following: i5-760 is due soon. Maybe a price drop for 750 (similar to the i7-920/930 situation)? 1156 is already probably more than you need. 1155 will of course be better and bring 32nm to quad and probably other improvments, but we don't yet know pricing. Finally, dual channel DDR3 seems to have gotten cheaper lately. Who knows what'll happen later in the year.
RAID is a declining technology and the benefits are usually outweighed by the reliability concern. Furthermore, with a single PCIe 2.0 lane providing 500MB/sec transfers, you're basically limited by the other buses in your system before you saturate it. In terms of graphics performance... (the GPUs are single 5870s) although the difference is far more pronounced with Crossfire.
The following hepled me reach my decision not to upgrade: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/balanced-gaming-pc-overclock,review-31895-16.html I have an E8600 in an Asus P5N-E SLI m/b with a P43 Gigabyte waiting in the wings. Together they cost me a total of £120 second hand (thanks to Kovoet & Bumsrush ). I had already purchased a 4870 Vapor-X at the end of last year when my 8800GTS fan decided to run at 100% continiously - that GPU cost me £130. Previously I was running an E6600 C2D and was finding BC2 a struggle. I overclocked the E6600 to 3.2GHz which hepled but not as much as the 4870 obviously. Anyway, to buy the rest that I would need to upgrade (CPU, m/b & RAM) would cost me around over £300 for an i5, nearly £400 for an i7. However, I decided to wait because what I have fits my needs perfectly. I don't get to game much due to family comittments so you can't call me "hard core". The PC gets used more for other stuff so quietness and cooling is a factor, hence the Vapor-X. I decidied to wait until the next generation comes out because I cannot see me needing anything more than I have now until then. I still have the option of overclocking the E8600 and have bought a Titan Fenrir for that purpose. I still need a case with better airflow than I have but the point is that the E8600 maxes out my current kit and everything else I buy can be put to use when I upgrade. Buying a good graphics card now gives you something that you can carry over to a new build when it happens. However, if you are struggling with what you have now and you can't get any more out of it cheaply (e.g. a cheap upgrade or an overclock) then it sounds like you may want/need to upgrade. It is all about what your requirements are. What spec are you running at the moment?
My current specs are as follows Case:Antec 1200 Motherboard5k CPU: E6750 @ 3.4 GHZ Ram: 2GB DDR2 Ballistics 1066 Mhz Hsf:Zalman 10X Quiet GPU:ATI 4850 overclocked with Zalman Vf100 cooler Sound: X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Hdd:Samsung F1 1TB Power supply: Thermaltake 700 Watt
Okay, so what are your requirements? If it is gaming for example, your main problem with your present kit will be your RAM and GPU. Buying another graphics card is an easy choice because you could put that into a new build. However, buying DDR2 RAM is a bit of a waste unless you can get another 2GB of the exact same RAM to slot into your rig. You tried scouting around the marketplace to see if anyone is selling any cheap? I bought 8GB of 1066 DDR2 there for £80 the other week, 4GB of DDR2 has been going for around £40-£50. You could probably pay for another 2GB of RAM by selling your current graphics card when you buy a new one.
I always though it was my CPU. Ive looked in the marketplace but i couldn't find any 2GB sets.Ill keep an eye out for a new 4GB kit.Ill be selling a good few things on the forums in the next week or two hopefully that will pay for most of my card
