Modding Watercooling 201: The Waterblock

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  1. Da Dego

    Da Dego Brett Thomas

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    Actually, yes ;) That's on the agenda. In fact, Danger Den, Swiftec, Thermochill, HW Labs and I are working together to do a comprehensive discussion/review. ;)
     
  2. sultine

    sultine Like a sponge

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    Great article, just the right amount of science content. I really appreciate the complete absence of liquid snobbery.
     
  3. teamtd11

    teamtd11 *Custom User Title*

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    Great Article! Its good to see inside the D-Tek without taking mine apart:thumb: I always woundered how the water would go across the whole block when the output is only in 1 corner, but i did move from the simple TDX to the fusion :blush:
     
  4. willyolio

    willyolio What's a Dremel?

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    what's next in the watercooling lessons? i'd like to see info on GPU waterblocks- full coverage vs. GPU-only.
     
  5. legoman666

    legoman666 Beat to fit, paint to match.

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    one gets the ram and one doesnt? It's not really complicated. Big price difference though because of the massive amount of copper that has to be used for a full cover card.
     
  6. Hamish

    Hamish What's a Dremel?

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    problem with full coverage cards is also compatability
    i've had my maze4 gpu block on 4 different cards (9800, x800, x1900, 3870), cant do that with a full coverage block :p
     
  7. WhiskeyAlpha

    WhiskeyAlpha What's a Dremel?

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    Actually, unless you bought yours very recently It'd probably be worth taking it apart. I read an article on the FuZion a little while back in a forum and loads of people were finding bit's of black "gunk" floating around in there loop/s.

    Turns out that one of the rubber seals is actually injected into the unit once it has been assembled, which unfortunately leaves a lot of weak rubber material loose where it squeezes out inside the unit. When I took mine apart, a lot of it had got stuck in the pins and was clearly impeeding it's cooling potential.

    Can't think where I read about it now, I'll see if I can dig it up.

    EDIT: link
     
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  8. r4tch3t

    r4tch3t hmmmm....

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    Great article and a big thanks to AquaPCs, hopefully I can get a credit card soon so I can order some stuff before the 28th.
     
  9. Guest-23315

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    Most people seem to take their FuZions apart and cut the plastic seal. Seems to be the only thing wrong with the block. Having said that, I'd go for an Acrylic topped block anyday.
     
  10. KayinBlack

    KayinBlack Unrepentant Savage

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    That's a Cuplex XT Di, not an XT. Big difference, the Di goes through twice, the XT goes through once. Also about a $40 USD difference in price.

    Nice job though, be looking forward to the next bit. Take a look in my latest project log and you'll see my version of a TDX...
     
  11. Mysterae

    Mysterae What's a Dremel?

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    Nice article, informative, unbiased and encouraging.

    The Aquacomputer block in the article was the DI version, don't think that was mentioned.

    For my loops I modded an Aquacomputer Cuplex XT from 1_in_1_out to 1_in_2_out. It suited my loop, reduced restriction (I reckon) and meant that the input was directly over the countersunk jet holes as the author recommends.

    Original assembled:
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    Original internal water path:
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    The plan to extend the return paths to 2:
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    The plan to block off the original inlet and make it an outlet (before drill through the block):
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    The middle block drilled, and the plexi top drilled and tapped:
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    The previously inlet blocked off with 'quick metal' or other type of filler:
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    The middle part of the block with an additional return path milled clear:
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    Assembled and leak testing (sucessfully!). Reminder - The middle port is the inlet, the other two outlets (RBX style):
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    Definitely an improvement with my temps. I've changed my mobo and cpu since that build and haven't put the watercooling back in. I wonder how it would cool my Q6600 compared to the X2 X4400+ previously.
     
  12. KayinBlack

    KayinBlack Unrepentant Savage

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    wow, nice work. Must have great tools...
     
  13. willyolio

    willyolio What's a Dremel?

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    so can you tell me exactly what the temperature differences are, and how the direction, paths, and flow rates in water differ between the two?

    it's not as if CPU watercooling is complicated. it's a copper block and you inject water in the middle for highest effectiveness. woo.
     
  14. Bladestorm

    Bladestorm What's a Dremel?

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    ^^ Picture comment, first page mate :)

    Edit : Spotted another errant MC :

    From the EK section.
     
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  15. Da_Rude_Baboon

    Da_Rude_Baboon What the?

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    Very good article Brett.

    I was surprised to find you didn't really mention if/how multicore blocks have an effect on the design. Surely the 'hot spot' in a quadcore block is different to a single core block? Also the picture of a block not mentioned anywhere in the article on the final page is a bit strange.
     
  16. [USRF]Obiwan

    [USRF]Obiwan What's a Dremel?

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    Well, i loved the article, i own 2 machines filled with Aqua-computer blocks and radiators. But my next machine probably wont get any WC in it. One of the main reasons of this, was because of this article from Joe at procooling.com. It opend my eyes...
     
  17. Sark.inc

    Sark.inc What's a Dremel?

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    Marry me! <3

    when reading it, at first i was like o_O... i don't get it, but then it hit me and i did, much thanks to your onion :p
    I now know alot more on water cooling blocks. <3
     
  18. airchie

    airchie What's a Dremel?

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    First up, thanks for the informative article. :)

    I've had a few ideas during the course of reading it though that I thought I'd pose to you all.

    First, solving (or at least alleviating) the boundary layer issue.
    Would it be possible to use some sort of heat transfer paste on the inside of a water block?
    Maybe some sort of paste with very small molecules, that would form a much smoother layer between itself and the coolant. Much smoother than possible with copper at any rate. And if it was something with good thermal properties it'd pass the heat on very well from the block to the coolant.

    My second thought was rifling.
    Could you use rifling on the intake of the waterblock to increase the turbulence to help break the boundary layer?
    An idea I had in my head for a block design was to have a right-hand rifling on the entry to a block then having a left-hand rifling to the block's baseplate tapering out to a smooth exit near the edge. The way I'm picturing it in my head is the water would hit hard onto the reversed direction rifling of the base plate but after that, laminar flow would be restored very quickly. Should keep the block's overall obstruction quite low while giving great turbulence at the heat source. :)
     
  19. Bluephoenix

    Bluephoenix Spoon? What spoon?

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    well, vortices (rifling) turbulence does not make.

    the best way to create a turbulent flow in my opinion is to use something called a hydro-shear (US & International patents belonging to John Melbourne)

    the way a hydro-shear works is using angled jets to create a vortex flow and then using a set of jets angled in the opposite direction to destroy that vortex flow.

    this principle works on anything from 10ft in diameter right down to very small scales (1/2 inch or less)

    my father did a good deal of work on the concept and design, and the waterblock I designed actually uses this technology to remove all the worries about boundary layers.

    I would put up the design for you all to see, but there are some patent and design issues that prevent me from doing so.


    hope this is some food for thought.
     
  20. legoman666

    legoman666 Beat to fit, paint to match.

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    I know deep down that water cooling really does not improve my overclock that much. Point in fact, my 3800+ AMD X2 got to 2.45ghz on air (from 2.0 stock). On water I was able to get it to 2.7 stable and 2.8 unstable. So for about $200-250 I got an extra 150mhz. I know it isn't worth it. I also know my 3870 would OC about the same on air as it does on water. In fact, I could probably push the core on it another 150mhz if I just flashed the bios. It sure as hell wasnt worth the $120 waterblock I put a $250 video card.

    But damn it sure is fun and it does look nice.
     
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