War in Georgia and South Ossetia. What do you believe 1. Is this war between? (Georgia vs Russia, US and Georgia vs Russia, ext.) 2. Who do you believe started the war? (Georgia, South Ossetia, Russia, ext) 3. Why do you think of the reasons for this war? (conquest, resources, peace, ext) 4. What is your source of information? (internet, western media, political connections in the government, eye witness, underground leaked information) 5. How do you think this is going to proceed? (Turn in to War Russia vs US, WWIII, Nuclear Armageddon, Nuclear Armageddon followed by global warming)
I will post my opinion on this matter some time later. Don't want to manipulate this thread to go in to only one direction
dude I don't have a clue. But it sounds like USA Iran war that they talked about. It's maybe be the start or the end. I just try to enjoy the last days - years we have in this life. you should read about 2012 crap. It sounds that it will be the end for sure. War starts now and keep going till 2012 and some thing big happen and all gone BOOM
Is it not a little bit similar to Nazi Germany's take over of the Sudetenland in 1938, except with more conflict because Russia isn't Nazi Germany, and the US isn't afraid of them like we were of Nazi Germany.
To be honest, I don't have a well formed opinion. I would not be at all surprised if it came to a fighting based resolution, though. Especially if the US sticks their oar into the mix.
Something is gonna happen on 21/12/2012 in the assassin's creed universe though.. 'twas written in blood!
I fully expect Russia to remain in South Ossetia in some form or other, and as with Turkey (in Cyprus) they'll just remain there, initially to the consternation of the internationally community, but soon they will get bored and move on - sadly there is no stomach to seriously take on Russia, and besides, we need the cooperation elsewhere in the world.
Speculation: Russia is trying to cut off US oil supplies Russia is trying to push a closer border to Iran for oil and arms transfers. Russia is trying to prevent a Western foothold in south russia
There's a lot of dynamics going on here. We have seen an increase in tensions between Russia and the West over the past year, if you then look at Georgia getting cosy with the West in that context, especially the possibility of Georgia being invited to join NATO it starts to put the conflict into some more perspective. There is also the issue of the major oil pipeline that runs through Georgia, Russia has no control over that, and as we know those who control the oil hold the power. One thing that does contributes to Russia’s strong tactics is the fact that Putin is still the one in charge of Russia, he may have taken the role of Prime Minister but it is still he that pulls the strings. What I do find interesting is the hypocrisy of Georgia, if we remember that Georgia is a breakaway state from the former Soviet Union who are now opposing a smaller group who whish to create their own breakaway state. I also find it amusing watching Bush and Brown try to condemn Russia for invading a sovereign state, all the time we are still in Iraq. Hypocrisy at it’s best. I see this as an attempt by Russia to re-exert it’s force in the region, but Georgia certainly didn’t do anything to help themselves as it was they who launched a military offensive into South Ossetia.
I just think Russia has been pushing it for a while with their war games. Flying Nuclear capable bombers within a few miles of British Airspace
As bogeymen, Al Quaeda and the Taliban are lacking when the Pentagon are after lots more money for the next generation of warfare goodies. You can't really fire nuclear missiles at terrorists, too much collateral damage. They need a foe with proper armed forces, ships, planes, tanks. China they can't be too blatant about, they own too much of the US. N Korea a bit close to China and no profit, besides the US military doesn't like jungles. Iran is too close to Iraq so that's been subcontracted to Israel. France? Could be hard to sell to the public. That just leaves the golden oldie bogey, Russia. They'll do fine, it worked last time.
I honestly don't really mind what happens. I feel for the people being moved from there homes by Russian soilders, however i do feel Georgia started it. I personally want Britain to stay far away from it and let Russia and Georgia sort it out between themselves, even if that means loss of lives. We should keep a strong relationship with Russia as they certainly don't seem very stable at the moment.
Georgia vs. A relatively (and necessarily) restrained Russia supporting South Ossetians. Georgia started the war, but Russia's policy on South Ossetia, and the region's break away made it possible. Georgia flexing its muscles and not realising Russia would be so willing to do is same in response. Also Russia trying to reverse it's weakening position in the region. Political connections in the government and underground leaked information ... nah, internet and western media Nothing as exciting as that. It will probably just end up with Russia being stronger (ie. more feared) in the region but more isolated in the international community. The last thing the US would want to do is get involved militarily. Also, by global warming, do you mean extremely rapid global warming (to several million degrees centigrade )
Both QFT. Remember, Iran was only mentioned in Bush' "Axis of Evil" speech (29.01.02) because they had to pad out the set. No, seriously. It was a set-up to invasion of Iraq, but just mentioning Iraq didn't make for much of a world threat, and besides it would be a bit obvious. So he added N. Korea, always a good bogeyman in a pinch. Then they added Iran to make it a full threesome. This came as somewhat of a surprise to Iran, which after all had just had a long and bloody war with its supposed partner in crime Iraq in the 80's, had publicly condemned outright the 9/11 terrorist attack in November 2001 and just shaken hands with Colin Powell offering full support in establishing a new post-Taliban government in Afghanistan. We had War on Communism™. Then the USSR fell. Of course, the US still had the Communist threat of Cuba to worry about --a threat so big, obviously, that it shipped all its most dangerous detained terrorists there. Then we had War on Drugs™, with US' South American allies doing most of the smuggling. Then we had the War on Terror™, with an Iraq that had no WMD, an Afghanistan that had no Osama Bin Laden, an Iran that has no nukes, and a N. Korea that has, well, no nukes either. Meanwhile one of our allies (Pakistan) sells nuclear equipment and secrets to Iran and Lybia (tired to sell to Iraq, but Saddam wasn't buying), and we suck up to China which owns most of our national debts. Now we are going full circle to the new Russian threat --except that it is really hard to throw bricks while living in glass houses. While Bush and Brown both vehemently criticise Putin's actions, it is the French President, Sarkozy, who is actually been doing something to bring this conflict to a relatively swift and peaceful end. Not bad for a surrender monkey who doesn't eat Freedom Fries.
very good points stated by yodasarmpit And here is my opinion on this matter 1. Is this war between? (Georgia vs Russia, US and Georgia vs Russia, ext.) This is indirect war between Russia and US. Russia taking on the side of Ossetia, and US with Georgia. But US didn't really get involved much yet, never the less western media is trying to make Russia look bad (aggressors) 2. Who do you believe started the war? There always was tension between Russia and West. So I don't think this War got started by anyone, it just taken the next step. Ossetia and Georgia happen to be the place and Aug 8 2008 the time. I don't think it really matters who opened fire first. (I think Georgia) 3. Why do you think of the reasons for this war? Russia doesn't want the West to get foothold in Europe, is the main reason. 4. What is your source of information? My family is in Russia so I get to hear their side of story as well as American side because I live in Canada. Then internet American sites as well as Russian, new reports around the world and independent reporters via youtube. So this is on what I base my opinion, I am not an eye witness and I don't have connections to any political figures. My opinions could be wrong and you have right to disagree. 5. How do you think this is going to proceed? I think this war will never end, the history will never stop repeating it self like broken record. The war between Ossetia and Georgia might end. But the tension between the West and Russia will always be there. In an other place at an other time something similar will happen again. P.S. I think it would be cool to live in Nuclear Post-Apocalypse age. (in you survive the blast and the fallout)
