Well? Id love to be educated. Ok, analouge audio may seem a lot softer to some than butchered digital CDs but they are still all passed through DSPs (unless you use a grammerphone). Surely, a well made digital CD will have a greater SN ratio and better quality audio?
A CD has a fixed sample rate of 44.1KHz, vinyl *should* give you an almost infinite sample rate down to molecular level (the molecule at the tip of the needle running over the molecules on the surface of the record). You don't need to go digital to produce sound from a record. Analogue circuits will retain the same accuracy and sampling ability. *n
Ah, so you get the whole frequency responce. I see now. But even then, you need a pair of speakers and the DSP cuts out so much of the signal (i have a next door neighbour who is doing an electronics degree).
To get the best reproduction out of vinyl you really need to eliminate all digital circuitry and stick with tube amps. That way the frequency range is only limited to the stylus and the recording itself - well and the speakers. Plus by sticking with pure analog, you get much better headroom. To be honest, in my opinion, some of the absolute best amps on the market are pure analog tube amps (see: www.mcintoshlabs.com).. Above all that, pure analog is able to capture the "warmth" of a musical piece, digital sometimes tends to be a bit harsh in that area. This is why classical music is best experienced pure analog. If you ever get a chance, listen to Pink Floyd's Comfortably Numb with quality analog equipment (vinyl, tube amps, etc) and compare it to digital, there is a noticeable difference. If it's possable, listen to it in quadraphonic sound the way it was intended..
You just don't get the scratches on CD sounding like those on vinyl. Granted there are some poor, over-bright, transfers from analogue, but I've got a lot of classical albums in both formats and CD rules. No distraction from surface noise. Now I'm a Pink Floyd fan, but classical? Classic maybe.
i have lp's from the 50's with no surface noise. if they are well looked after and cleaned properly you wont have noise (other than background noise from a cheap deck). also for the best vinyl get pre 1980's as it was recorded in analogue not the modern digital then converted. something i notice between cd and lp is soundstage, and detail. on a certain piece on cd i hear a sax on lp i hear the finger movements and the breaths of the player. as for it sounding warmer... not something i have noticed. and im not a huge valve fan as the midrange is great but the high's and lows are less so. but i have a valve phono stage so cant really talk
Agreed - plus pre-1980 lp's are a bit thicker. I think that record companies were trying to get people away from LP and onto cassette at that time so they reduced the quality of the lp..
Where's the DSP involved with vinyl? Most if not quite all hifi systems with a turntable operate wholely in analogue, from the low level output from the turntable itself into the phono stage, then pre-amp and power amp, then to speakers. I can appreciate that some DSP fiddling may have been involved in the mixing/recording/editing of the music before its pressed to vinyl, but with older recordings made before the age of DSP and digital editing equipment, its all analogue . Even some recent bands like to record/edit/mix wholely in analogue as it is somehow more musical in its sound (some digital recording are horrifically compressed) and with decent recording gear offers greater dynamic range (The Breeders and the White Stripes are the first two bands that spring to mind) so the vinyl presses of their work should not have had any DSP applied at any stage
I see your point but that's a bit of a broad statement. I know loads of bands that still record in analogue. Isis for example, do all their recordings in analogue and always release various LPs of their works (some uber-limited ones in various colours too). Their one album 'Oceanic' is on Volume 4 of just the remixes. Heavy pressings, quality stuff. Vinyl is awesome. If just for the huge coverart. I'm going to start collecting again soon. Doom, drone, stoner, noise and ambient metal feels so at home on this format.
Vinyl - ADSP (analouge to digital converter) - output - speakers. Or am i only thinking crappy units here
yes you are deck->phono stage->amp->speakers all using analagoue cables no digital, no dacs in between or anything like that. only dac i have is in my cd player. and yes heavy vinyl is better i have a 180g virgin vinyl black sabbath - black sabbath it pwns. www.vivante.co.uk
Mmmm... Yea, Sabbath on vinyl... The only Sabbath I have on vinyl is Vol 4 (has Sweet Leaf, Children of the Grave, etc on it). Seriously, maybe it's just my age, but I even like the little pops and crackles of an lp as long as they are at a minimum.
i have the first black sabbath album on lp which my dad bought when it came out also have a damn nice Who:live at leeds album with loads of funky stuff in the inlay
Psh... all of you with your Black Sabbath records. I've got George Formby - "When I'm Cleaning Windows" and "With My Little Stick of Blackpool Rock" on 78. Winner!
