Damn dude. Why did I always assume that if I ever tried to hit something thicker than a soda can with a .22, the bullet would just bounce off it? Maybe cuz it has no recoil worth mentioning, and I'm a physicist.
you know a .22 has a more likely chance of killing you with a headshot than a 9mm right? i read something written by an EMT about how you can tell when someone offs themselves with a .22 because the skull is deformed. it has enough energy to punch through one side, but often doesn't have enough energy to go through the other, so it bounces around tearing the brain to shreds. with heavier calibers the round would just go through and through (which does a lot of damage, but some people barely use their brain for anything, so it might not hit anything vital) go shoot a squirrel with a .22. it will turn them inside out. it's also fun to do. while the charge might be small a relatively long barrel and small diameter of the round gives is a fair punch. all it needs to do is make it through that first layer of skull with a little leftover energy
I guess you learn something new every day. I never shot a squirrel with a .22, just a plastic cup. It has enough power to get through both sides of the cup, but then again, so does a BB gun.
I live in Hampshire, my zombie plan is to let the army take care of it. While I cower in the barracks.
Now this is where you start going from paper to real life applications..... There is a reason why armed forces don't use .22's First of all headshot's, No matter how good of a shot you are, snap head shots on moving targets while you yourself are moving, are not easy... And I dont care how many hours you've logged in CS or TF2 or some such. Also lets take into account the simple basis of how your life would be in this situation..... IE the world has gone to hell in in a freaking ferrari, You've most likely lost contact with any higher form of government, theres is little organization...... Your nerves are shot.... You most likely have slept more than a few hours here and there all week while you desperately either run for the hills or try to fortify your position. So are you in any position to calmly and cooly go for headshots? NO!, Secondly, even standard military sniping doctrine says, headshots are only viable from a fixed, controlled, and unknown(by the enemy) location. So your telling me you'll be doing headshots while running away from groups of zombies? unlikely, seeing as your most likely human like the rest of us and not god's gift to marksmanship. Lets delve into some basics........ yes a 22 from point blank range will kill you, it has been a know favorite of "alleged" mob hitters since the 60's since they are quiet and yes, they do bounce around inside the skill Most times instead of exiting the other side. Now onto the kinetic energy of the round.... It is also know that heavy clothing such as heavy jeans or such will either stop or ablate enough energy from the round to rend it effectively harmless, case in point........ I was literally shot in the behind with a .22 from about 70 feet at the age of 14 and It did not have to be dug that far out..... It's all a matter of kinetic energy...... Two football players may be moving at the same speed but I'd rather be hit by the 170 pound qb as opposed to the 350 pound linebacker. So taking into account all kinds of things, like wind drift, kinetic energy.... Let's throw down some basic ballistics information... such as the items mentioned above. the following information will be listed as follows Velocity/Energy or FPS(feet per second) and ft.lb's at all 3 locations, muzzle, 50meters, and 100m, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_(mass) check link in case your wondering what Grains are.............. I'll just copy paste some stuff over........ from various sites covering 3-4 different rounds, starting off with a .22 From a high velocity 22, basically maxing out the cartridge here Heres two standard 5.56 nato ammo's, as used in the Ar-15 or the M-16a1 etc etc one is 55gr the other is 62 and after trying to get it to work right whenever I save the edit and it wont I guess im back to linking..... http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/ss109.txt the tables halfway down the page lol heres a link for the 9mm since I dont feel like typing it all and it wont copy nicely http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satell...UNITION+BALLISTICS+FOR+9mm+Luger+%289x19mm%29 and .308 nato http://www.gunsplanet.com/reload/cart_snip2_us.html#308 another link since yet again it doesnt like to copy very well....... So this has kinda turned it a wannabe classroom with me too lazy to actually teach......... but the conclusion is basically this........ 1. No one is doing reliable headshots when the world ends while running around..... 2. A .22 lr is not a practical usable caliber for anything other than plinking cans or as a last resort. I'll shutup now....... ps. lol.... Theres plenty of documented cases of people being shot with a .22 and it bouncing off bone as opposed to penetrating it..... Now my favorite rifle is my hunting rifle is in 338 lapua, but again thats something that I reload and could not reliably get the ammo for at the end of the world
Are there semi-auto .22 guns? I've only ever fired a bolt action .22 rifle. I can't imagine bolt action being useful in close quarters combat.
but at what ranges did it simply bounce off? you don't need to pick off a zombie from a half-click out. you want a round that is effective at ranges where you can't simply avoid them, and accurate enough to hit them in the head. yes, the model i mentioned (Ruger 10/22) is a popular one, but there are a metric crapload of .22's. they even got conversion kits to turn your favorite colt .45 into one there are even full-auto .22's with unlimited capacity
http://www.gizmag.com/the-ultimate-in-zombie-defense-the-ar-15-semi-automatic-with-chainsaw-bayonet/10524/
Yeah, because nothing helps steady your aim like a rumbling 30 pound chainsaw on the end of your barrel. Of course, the obvious solution to the problem of that is BELT FED AMMO baby! *launches into song and dance of "America - **** Yeah!"
Hmm, need to change my plan since I am going to a major population center for Uni. Easier to get ammo, but more zombies to deal with. At least I can legally buy a gun now. Anyone from Tempe or Phoenix want to get together after the end of August and make a serious plan?
How bout one of these! could set up farms and solar/window turbines on them and things like that, would be able to be a completely efficient system. http://www.artificialowl.net/2008/07/maunsell-army-sea-forts-red-sands.html
Nope. Sea borne 'safehouses' are not viable. Floaters, sinkers, weather, errosion. Those that you've linked there, a couple have been demolished due to failing supports. The operational life times of those buildings are not long periods of time. To be quite honest, mobility is the key to survival, but unless you have access to several billion bullets, there is no surviving a zombie apocalypse for the human race.
Funny you should mention it... I know a guy... and then there's another dude with two 6wd army surplus dump trucks. Those would be handy for 'procurement runs'. A living person would find it difficult to climb onto one. A big part of what is missing from these plans is camouflage. Zombies won't be inclined to hang around a fence if they can't see anything to eat on the other side, right? They are kinda like carnivorous cows. I'd find a remote plot of undeveloped land in my area, steal an *ssload of chain link fencing, (It's not just in stores) and build an outer perimeter. I'd clear the center of the land, and build an inner perimeter. The woods in this area are jungle-like and nearly impossible to pass through without a machete. The fences would be completely overgrown with creeper vines in a month. You wouldn't zombie-stink hanging around, so anyone you finished off would have to be removed. I'm thinking a big zombie trebuchet would be useful. What bugs me is that this thread has me thinking about something else: Zombie animals. What if rats and cockroaches were susceptible? I don't even want to think about zombie-malaria. Edit: If you can't shoot something the size of a melon from 20 feet away, you shouldn't be relying on a gun for safety. Stay in the truck. -and what's with everyone treating zombies like they are armor-plated?
Well right now I have a Bolt Action .22 and about 1000 rounds of .22lr ammo (for target practice) so I think I should be good for getting to a new location. I would probably end up going to a super market and securing the area with barricading the doors and I would make sure I have a way to the roof in case of an emergency evacuation. I would probably end up at a Wally World (Walmart) and go from there since they have Extra rifles/shotguns/ammo and food.
I do NOT want to be in a supermarket 24 hours after the power goes out. -You would lose one of the first warning signs of a zombie: the smell! I'd swear I mentioned this in the last zombie thread, but I have a disposal plan... The city could send out mobile units. 18-wheeler towed industrial stump grinders with and escalator mounted on the back. The back would fold out into a brightly lit carnival facade with the center being the entrance to the escalator. The escalator would feed the grinder. When an area is sufficiently cleared, the equipment could move to the next zone. Napalm would then be applied to the giant zombie meat pile. @Ryu - that's what they said about bird flu.
