Graphics which 1?

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by t4n6o, 7 Sep 2011.

  1. Sentinel-R1

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    You're right, it is win win - but I was just a little miffed by your indifferent approach saying they're both the same. If that was the case, there'd be no partner cards and Nvidia/AMD would just pump out factory cards to the world under one brand.
     
  2. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    i personally would much prefer they do their own brand cards. end of the day, you'll get the same as other brands.

    yes, might be louder, or less well cooled. but as long as you are running stock or only slight overclock, there really isn't any performance difference.


    besides, i found graphics card overclocking to be rather pointless...... yay for that 2 extra unnoticeable FPS??:eyebrow:
     
  3. Sentinel-R1

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    The thing is, overclocking isn't the be all, end all - agree with you there but I personally got around 10fps increase overclocking my cards in benchmarks and gaming which certainly isn't insignificant. I couldn't have achieved that with reference cards.

    Overclocking aside, sometimes silence is the driving factor and again, non reference cards have the edge there too.

    You can't and shouldn't take the choice away from consumers. If there was only one model GPU, one model car, one model training shoe to choose from, how boring would the world be?
     
  4. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    if there's only one model of a car each year. eg. Golf 2011, Golf 2012 and so on. it would make second hand market soooooo much easier.

    this is also one of the reason i only buy reference: easier to sell, just price it same as other reference and it's a sure sale. buying the one with best cooler on it would mean you spend that extra £50 on it, but when it comes to sell, you probably could only get £10 over other cards with same GPU.


    out of interest, what speed did you manage to get out of those gtx580's of yours. with that matrix cooler?
     
  5. Sentinel-R1

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    One card hit 1008mhz core with fans on 100%, the other hit the wall at 970 odd. I've had both stable and within temps at 945/4400 with a custom fan profile but dropped them to 900/4200 for everyday use and longevity. However, now I've added a 140mm fan blowing along the length of the cards and shaved off another 5c, I'll probably reclock them to 945/4400 and see what the stress temps are like.

    You'd struggle to get that with reference models....
     
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  6. Deders

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    The reference coolers for these cards were pretty awesome anyway, the disadvantage with the twin frozer is more of the heat will be dumped in the case. EVGA also has it's 10 year warranty.
     
  7. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    i'll definitely struggle to reach those crazy clocks.

    i can run 900MHz with reasonable temperature (80c, tweaked fan profile, a bit loud, but reference cooler can still manage) at whatever voltage reference cards are allowed to run at maximum voltage. 1.138v IIRC. 940MHz benchmark-able, 900MHz stable.

    oh yes, for overclock, there's also factor of unlocked voltage tweaks. think the MSI one here offers that?
     
  8. Sentinel-R1

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    Guru3d only managed 855mhz from their reference 580 with peak temps of 84c so I doubt you'd get close to 900, let alone 940 with a reference card - and if you did, the fan would be going like a turbine and not a pleasant experience.

    edit: The fastest reference 580 overclock review I've been able to find stable is 870MHz.
     
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  9. MSHunter

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    EVGA has the best warranty and would be my preference.
     
  10. Brooksie

    Brooksie What's a Dremel?

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  11. wyx087

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    http://3dmark.com/3dm11/475706
    As I said. Benchmark-stable.

    900Mhz is gaming stable, with highest allowed voltage. all these GPU's are the same, better cooler doesn't really make them magically better overclocker, only slightly.

    what voltage are you putting through them at 1000MHz?
     
  12. Sentinel-R1

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    Well you've been VERY lucky with your reference card, unless you've got the KFA2 Anarchy Edition which is a different kettle of fish altogether...

    1.17-1.18v for 1000MHz with max fan button down and aircon cold feed straight onto gpu's. It got a 'little' warm lets say :)
     
  13. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    it's SO reference, there isn't even any KFA stickers! i did buy the very first batch of these cards.....

    back to topic. in light of the little detour, apart from overclocking benefits, they are the same, if you are not an extreme overclocker. however, if you are going to do high overclocks, it's worth a little investment in much better coolers such as Asus MARS.
     

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