It is, and I didn’t force you to say anything either. I’m not being rude I just literally don’t have the time , energy or want to sit here arguing. Or being any more divided than I already have been by the biggest bunch of **** bags I have ever seen during my lifetime.
It's totally not. Propaganda is when someone shoves something in your face and tries to make you believe something. Maybe go back and read what I said. I said that the Tories were shoving ads down my throat on Facebook (three times, even though I said to hide all ads from them) about how if I voted for Reform it would be a vote for Kier Starmer. In other words what the Tories were doing was shoving propaganda in my face hoping I would say "Hey that is right I better vote Tory !". So it quite clearly failed, and, Reform could actually destroy the Tories once and for all. So explain to me how I fell for the propaganda please? I would say that propaganda has backfired. Now see, I would actually vote Labour if I did not think Kier Starmer was a complete douche. Sadly he is, and thus I would rather peel my bellend with a rusty potato peeler than vote for the ****. As such I did the next best thing, as I have explained.
No, the rabid Remainers said that. They also said that even if we voted leave they would get us back in the EU. Now see, real life issues for people are being completely disregarded. And people are beginning to notice that. Fact is Farage will never get in. What they will do however is destroy the Tories. And I am all for that. I live in the real world me. I don't really care too much about LGB or whatever letter is being added on now. It doesn't have anything to do with me. I also am not in an interracial couple so again, none of that pertains to or concerns me. I think it has all gotten a bit extreme and a bit out of hand. So I then come back to my life. I am in pain 24/7. I have what is now chronic arthritis in my knees. I have a damaged elbow which is also extremely painful (believe me I know the difference between normal pain and extreme pain) and a totally shot shoulder. I am getting one hour sleep at a time before waking in agony. I then have to roll around and find a position that will at least get me back to sleep for another hour before rinse and repeat. I was put on opioids (yes, it is that bad and worse) and just left on them for over three years now. So now not only do I have pain all of the time I am now an addict and one day I am going to have to go through withdrawal like never before. My teeth are all rotten and broken. I can not even get a dentist to let me join, let alone get any NHS care. My mother is in the same boat, and desperately needs to go on a new medication for osteoporosis but she can't because her teeth are rotten too and getting them fixed would wipe out every penny she has in savings as a home owner. And people are banging on about LBG LOL. I really am not fussed who people choose to have sex with, cohabit with, marry etc. However this **** is getting beyond a joke now. People going around attacking politicians and saying it is OK. Cancelling people and ruining their lives. Yeah nah. Just, nah. Politicians are so bad now I just literally sit there praying that I will reach the end of my life before the whole country collapses. It's just all so bloody invasive now. More armchair politicians than ever.
Such as voting reforming is helping labour and hurting the tories... or three adverts after you turned them off... You did fall for it as the advert is two fold. If you're a tory voter, don't vote reform as it will help labour. If you're a labour voter, a vote for reform is the same as voting for labour. So you think farage is a top bloke then? where's that 350 million a week gone again? There's no metric which show us as better off outside Europe. So the "rabid Remainers" saying it was a horrendous idea were actually correct.
Think you’re missing the point dude yet again. belmet smegeron calls a EU vote. according to the rabid left we could never end up leaving. It backfired, we left. Labour then immediately start saying that if they get in they’ll reverse it or call for another referendum. Yeah see it doesn’t work like that in a democracy. But that is how things are now. I didn’t ask for the figures about brexit. What I care about is that - A the people spoke and B no bent labour politician was able to cancel brexit. It’s called democracy you see. That’s why Corbin got the Spanish Archer. however in short? I am trolling. Like I said we’re getting starmer whether any one likes it or not and thus I can stick the boot in and literally destroy the Tory party as we know it. And I’m stupid because why? BTW. I think eventually whether you like it or not we will end up with someone like reform running the country. It’s inevitable. No one ever expected immigrants and their descendants voting leave and trying to halt immigration but they are. They are because they can see the world the way I do. IE it’s ****ed, there is no housing no flats and etc etc That is how bad it is. So I reckon next time round or the one after you’ll be getting reform.
BTW as for Farage? Do I think he’s a top bloke? No. I’d like to burn every politician at the stake. however. From what I have seen and it has been a lot I don’t mind him. However it’s not about him is it? Also. Inflation figures being reported here and in the USA are totally false and both us and the USA are paying for the war in Ukraine. Which is also why things are so expensive now. Were we asked about this? No. Bawbag Boris blamed the Ukraine for flirting with the west years ago and said there would be a war. He then attacked Farage for saying something similar two days ago so Farage campaigned with the front page of a newspaper from 2016 where bawbag made front page. Moreover they were both correct. To the tee. People just don’t like the truth is all. Only bawbag didn’t have the guts to stand by what he said. I mean really what do you think the UK would do if say, Wales was taken over by an ayatollah who started calling for attacks on England and Scotland? We’d blow them to kingdom come. Once again the west don’t respect boundaries and once again we are paying for a pointless war.
I'm still going through that website to tell me what I'm supposed to think. It's been about three days now. I'll let you guys know once I have an idea who I'm supposed to vote for. EDIT: It's taken me so long in fact that I think the format of the website has changed and the option buttons are now different. Good job I've got till July to make my (internet-informed) mind up. Maybe I'll start a thread on here with voting buttons at the top to tell me what I should do. Be easier.
Nope, the "rabid left" didn't say that it couldn't happen, they said that if we left, things would go to ****. And guess what happened... And if you're somehow including Cameron & his pals in "the rabid left" then I really, really don't know what to tell you, because left they most definitely were not. You can also point the finger of blame at Cameron & Osborne for your not being able to access healthcare because their policy of austerity has absolutely decimated public services (and the real impacts of that will continue to be felt for years to come). Under actual left-wing government you might have had to pay more tax but that tax would have gone to providing healthcare etc. But you're blaming the wrong people here. Going to need you to explain this one, please. How are they "totally false" and what are the correct figures? Remind me how inflation is calculated and what factors feed into inflation, would you? You're right that the war in Ukraine has contributed to high inflation, though, but not for the reason you've stated. It's not the cost of financial & military support from the West to Ukraine that's influenced inflation, it's that the war has disrupted the supply of oil & gas and grain (and to a lesser extent affected shipping), all of which contribute significantly towards overall inflation.
Whether it’s intentional or not, you seem to have a knack for finding the right buttons to push. A little more hostility towards England wouldn’t be a bad thing, really. Not the Scots though; they held out against England a lot longer than we did, but they did eventually succumb to the same force of imperialist brutality that conquered Wales centuries prior. The damage that has been inflicted on Cymru is incalculable. Centuries upon centuries of natural resources being plundered and pillaged for the benefit of wealthy colonisers and not the Cymry. What the Cymry got instead was oppression and derision that is now so deeply ingrained that a significant number of us detest even the language. We celebrate and applaud others for preserving their culture and heritage, for reinstating ancient ancestral names like Uluru, or Mumbai, or Aotearoa, or Czechia. When we reclaim ancient names like Yr Wyddfa, Eryri, or Bannau Brycheiniog, it’s scorned by even Welsh people. And lest anyone think that the plunder of natural resources is consigned to history… Decades ago the village of Capel Celyn was flooded, against the wishes of the people who lived there and the people who represented them, in order to supply Liverpool with water; yet we continue to supply England’s water needs to the tune of over 133 billion litres a year. We’re a net green energy exporter. There is still talk of reopening coal mines. We still have some of the best heavy manufacturing facilities in the country. There’s a reason why there are only two major road routes in and out of Cymru, the A55 in the North (basically a motorway in all but name) and the M4 in the South. Those are the routes that were, and still are, used to transport our natural resources out of Cymru. There was never a need to connect North & South because it didn’t serve anyone’s interest, it didn’t help make anyone rich. Rail & road links between North Wales and South Wales are still resisted to this very day. But no, we’re apparently “too poor” and “too incapable” to survive without England. England would soon find out how poor we really are if we stopped supplying water or green energy. We’ve got a right to be pissed off with England. But I’m still likely going to vote Labour instead of my normal political allegiance to Plaid Cymru. True sovereignty and autonomy for Wales will never happen while either the Tories or Labour rule Westminster. But the Tories have inflicted a hell of a lot of damage on the entire UK, and would happily inflict even more damage given half the chance. That disgraceful excuse for a political party needs to go, now. Could do without an Ayatollah though, thanks.
Great news: outside of the imagination of frothing right-wingers, it's never going to happen A-bloody-men to that!
Oh. Erm...thought I was a bit better than that. Although I was admittedly incredibly bored by question ten and just started to choose things that looked vaguely like they were in line. Did the Reform People have the early questions lined up? Now I have to decide if I actually will vote that way (probably not). But that leaves me in no better place, really. Maybe I will, just to see what happens (it would be cynically amusing if the country was run based on what the internet said). But then I'd feel bad if a) the corruption continued or b) the baddies got in. Lose-lose. Dammit. I'm better in the kitchen than I am at voting and I burn broccoli. Clearly I shouldn't vote for the Greens
Last post I am going to make. If any one else doesn't understand the context in my posts then fair enough. I am tired of being dragged across the coals. Firstly let's put the context into rabid left. Rabid left = extreme left. As in Just Stop Oil and so on. I am a lefty, however, I truly feel that over the years there has become no such thing. It seems people are becoming far more extreme in their views, and the walls of text in this thread just go to prove it. Also that means that yup, rabid right. As in beer swilling flag waving bellends. Secondly I want labour to win. I do. I think people are not understanding where I am coming from, or, just want someone to pick on. However with that said I DO NOT LIKE Kier Starmer. I'm not even going into why, but ironically someone said those two words again (you know? racist and bigot) and oddly enough the anti antisemitism in Labour and falure to speak out against what happened in Israel is just the tip of the iceberg. Thirdly I do not support Farage. At all. However, given the studying of the news I have done combined with what has been rammed down my throat I discovered, as I explained, that if Reform come in second place it will destroy the Torie party. I don't know what part of that you lot don't get. That was my main aim when voting reform. As for the rest? not going there. Like I said, I just feel like I am being mobbed which doesn't surprise me at all.
Oh I get what you're saying, but if you think you're going to get rid of the Tories by voting Reform you're mistaken. The hardest frothing right wingers of that party are, or will, defect to Reform. The worst parts of the Tories will still be here but wearing a different rosette.
I said the same thing the last time I addressed this point. I can not, and will not, speak for anyone else but me. I have not once attacked or insulted you personally, only the arguments you’ve put forth. If it comes across as a personal insult/attack, or I genuinely have stepped over the line, then I’ll apologise as I always have in these situations. I’m not deliberately trying to be a “come on, debate me bro” bellend, because people with that kind of mentality are often entirely disingenuous bellends. You don’t have to agree with anyone, just like I don’t have to agree with anyone either. None of us even has to like the choices that anyone else makes. Crossing the line into personal insults & attacks is one thing, and, as I hope I’ve made clear, is not ok. But beyond that… it’s an emotive subject, don’t be surprised when you get emotive responses.
I think I both agree and disagree with everything and everyone and have no idea what I'm supposed to do other than make sure I get the kid at 3.15pm to avoid getting told off. I still think we should stage a bit-revolt and run the place ourselves. An overclocked custom PC in every home by 2025!
Oh god no dude. I certainly don't feel insulted or offended. I just can't be doing it all to death over and over. Age, wisdom. Oh and it is very humid TBH the only reason Labour didn't get in last time was because of who was representing them. And the time before that, too. They have just totally lost touch with what Labour was supposed to stand for. As for Farage? I just said how I feel. I personally don't dislike him. Can't say I like him either, but from what I have seen in every case I have seen him in he was the one being attacked and maintaining his composure. We don't need a re run of what has just happened with the tories, but at the same time we don't need another rerun of labour's last run either. Throwing away money hand over fist, getting us into all sorts of problems. Sadly? we went from that extreme to the other. And that is the problem with politics of any sort now. It is all too angry and extreme. I think the meme using Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris, as much as it was intended as a joke, is spot on.
Did this myself a little earlier, 62.5% Lib Dems, 25% Labour and 12.5% Green. Not as far left of centre as I thought...
This is the bit that gets me - Reform isn't going for a win, because they know that's not on the cards yet. Farage is just trying to build their platform, so they can sustain themselves in parliament until they have a real chance. As much as i hate the tories and all they stand for, Farage with a real platform is a much scarier prospect.
