Think you’re missing the point dude yet again. belmet smegeron calls a EU vote. according to the rabid left we could never end up leaving. It backfired, we left. Labour then immediately start saying that if they get in they’ll reverse it or call for another referendum. Yeah see it doesn’t work like that in a democracy. But that is how things are now. I didn’t ask for the figures about brexit. What I care about is that - A the people spoke and B no bent labour politician was able to cancel brexit. It’s called democracy you see. That’s why Corbin got the Spanish Archer. however in short? I am trolling. Like I said we’re getting starmer whether any one likes it or not and thus I can stick the boot in and literally destroy the Tory party as we know it. And I’m stupid because why? BTW. I think eventually whether you like it or not we will end up with someone like reform running the country. It’s inevitable. No one ever expected immigrants and their descendants voting leave and trying to halt immigration but they are. They are because they can see the world the way I do. IE it’s ****ed, there is no housing no flats and etc etc That is how bad it is. So I reckon next time round or the one after you’ll be getting reform.
BTW as for Farage? Do I think he’s a top bloke? No. I’d like to burn every politician at the stake. however. From what I have seen and it has been a lot I don’t mind him. However it’s not about him is it? Also. Inflation figures being reported here and in the USA are totally false and both us and the USA are paying for the war in Ukraine. Which is also why things are so expensive now. Were we asked about this? No. Bawbag Boris blamed the Ukraine for flirting with the west years ago and said there would be a war. He then attacked Farage for saying something similar two days ago so Farage campaigned with the front page of a newspaper from 2016 where bawbag made front page. Moreover they were both correct. To the tee. People just don’t like the truth is all. Only bawbag didn’t have the guts to stand by what he said. I mean really what do you think the UK would do if say, Wales was taken over by an ayatollah who started calling for attacks on England and Scotland? We’d blow them to kingdom come. Once again the west don’t respect boundaries and once again we are paying for a pointless war.
I'm still going through that website to tell me what I'm supposed to think. It's been about three days now. I'll let you guys know once I have an idea who I'm supposed to vote for. EDIT: It's taken me so long in fact that I think the format of the website has changed and the option buttons are now different. Good job I've got till July to make my (internet-informed) mind up. Maybe I'll start a thread on here with voting buttons at the top to tell me what I should do. Be easier.
Nope, the "rabid left" didn't say that it couldn't happen, they said that if we left, things would go to ****. And guess what happened... And if you're somehow including Cameron & his pals in "the rabid left" then I really, really don't know what to tell you, because left they most definitely were not. You can also point the finger of blame at Cameron & Osborne for your not being able to access healthcare because their policy of austerity has absolutely decimated public services (and the real impacts of that will continue to be felt for years to come). Under actual left-wing government you might have had to pay more tax but that tax would have gone to providing healthcare etc. But you're blaming the wrong people here. Going to need you to explain this one, please. How are they "totally false" and what are the correct figures? Remind me how inflation is calculated and what factors feed into inflation, would you? You're right that the war in Ukraine has contributed to high inflation, though, but not for the reason you've stated. It's not the cost of financial & military support from the West to Ukraine that's influenced inflation, it's that the war has disrupted the supply of oil & gas and grain (and to a lesser extent affected shipping), all of which contribute significantly towards overall inflation.
Whether it’s intentional or not, you seem to have a knack for finding the right buttons to push. A little more hostility towards England wouldn’t be a bad thing, really. Not the Scots though; they held out against England a lot longer than we did, but they did eventually succumb to the same force of imperialist brutality that conquered Wales centuries prior. The damage that has been inflicted on Cymru is incalculable. Centuries upon centuries of natural resources being plundered and pillaged for the benefit of wealthy colonisers and not the Cymry. What the Cymry got instead was oppression and derision that is now so deeply ingrained that a significant number of us detest even the language. We celebrate and applaud others for preserving their culture and heritage, for reinstating ancient ancestral names like Uluru, or Mumbai, or Aotearoa, or Czechia. When we reclaim ancient names like Yr Wyddfa, Eryri, or Bannau Brycheiniog, it’s scorned by even Welsh people. And lest anyone think that the plunder of natural resources is consigned to history… Decades ago the village of Capel Celyn was flooded, against the wishes of the people who lived there and the people who represented them, in order to supply Liverpool with water; yet we continue to supply England’s water needs to the tune of over 133 billion litres a year. We’re a net green energy exporter. There is still talk of reopening coal mines. We still have some of the best heavy manufacturing facilities in the country. There’s a reason why there are only two major road routes in and out of Cymru, the A55 in the North (basically a motorway in all but name) and the M4 in the South. Those are the routes that were, and still are, used to transport our natural resources out of Cymru. There was never a need to connect North & South because it didn’t serve anyone’s interest, it didn’t help make anyone rich. Rail & road links between North Wales and South Wales are still resisted to this very day. But no, we’re apparently “too poor” and “too incapable” to survive without England. England would soon find out how poor we really are if we stopped supplying water or green energy. We’ve got a right to be pissed off with England. But I’m still likely going to vote Labour instead of my normal political allegiance to Plaid Cymru. True sovereignty and autonomy for Wales will never happen while either the Tories or Labour rule Westminster. But the Tories have inflicted a hell of a lot of damage on the entire UK, and would happily inflict even more damage given half the chance. That disgraceful excuse for a political party needs to go, now. Could do without an Ayatollah though, thanks.
Great news: outside of the imagination of frothing right-wingers, it's never going to happen A-bloody-men to that!
Oh. Erm...thought I was a bit better than that. Although I was admittedly incredibly bored by question ten and just started to choose things that looked vaguely like they were in line. Did the Reform People have the early questions lined up? Now I have to decide if I actually will vote that way (probably not). But that leaves me in no better place, really. Maybe I will, just to see what happens (it would be cynically amusing if the country was run based on what the internet said). But then I'd feel bad if a) the corruption continued or b) the baddies got in. Lose-lose. Dammit. I'm better in the kitchen than I am at voting and I burn broccoli. Clearly I shouldn't vote for the Greens
Last post I am going to make. If any one else doesn't understand the context in my posts then fair enough. I am tired of being dragged across the coals. Firstly let's put the context into rabid left. Rabid left = extreme left. As in Just Stop Oil and so on. I am a lefty, however, I truly feel that over the years there has become no such thing. It seems people are becoming far more extreme in their views, and the walls of text in this thread just go to prove it. Also that means that yup, rabid right. As in beer swilling flag waving bellends. Secondly I want labour to win. I do. I think people are not understanding where I am coming from, or, just want someone to pick on. However with that said I DO NOT LIKE Kier Starmer. I'm not even going into why, but ironically someone said those two words again (you know? racist and bigot) and oddly enough the anti antisemitism in Labour and falure to speak out against what happened in Israel is just the tip of the iceberg. Thirdly I do not support Farage. At all. However, given the studying of the news I have done combined with what has been rammed down my throat I discovered, as I explained, that if Reform come in second place it will destroy the Torie party. I don't know what part of that you lot don't get. That was my main aim when voting reform. As for the rest? not going there. Like I said, I just feel like I am being mobbed which doesn't surprise me at all.
Oh I get what you're saying, but if you think you're going to get rid of the Tories by voting Reform you're mistaken. The hardest frothing right wingers of that party are, or will, defect to Reform. The worst parts of the Tories will still be here but wearing a different rosette.
I said the same thing the last time I addressed this point. I can not, and will not, speak for anyone else but me. I have not once attacked or insulted you personally, only the arguments you’ve put forth. If it comes across as a personal insult/attack, or I genuinely have stepped over the line, then I’ll apologise as I always have in these situations. I’m not deliberately trying to be a “come on, debate me bro” bellend, because people with that kind of mentality are often entirely disingenuous bellends. You don’t have to agree with anyone, just like I don’t have to agree with anyone either. None of us even has to like the choices that anyone else makes. Crossing the line into personal insults & attacks is one thing, and, as I hope I’ve made clear, is not ok. But beyond that… it’s an emotive subject, don’t be surprised when you get emotive responses.
I think I both agree and disagree with everything and everyone and have no idea what I'm supposed to do other than make sure I get the kid at 3.15pm to avoid getting told off. I still think we should stage a bit-revolt and run the place ourselves. An overclocked custom PC in every home by 2025!
Oh god no dude. I certainly don't feel insulted or offended. I just can't be doing it all to death over and over. Age, wisdom. Oh and it is very humid TBH the only reason Labour didn't get in last time was because of who was representing them. And the time before that, too. They have just totally lost touch with what Labour was supposed to stand for. As for Farage? I just said how I feel. I personally don't dislike him. Can't say I like him either, but from what I have seen in every case I have seen him in he was the one being attacked and maintaining his composure. We don't need a re run of what has just happened with the tories, but at the same time we don't need another rerun of labour's last run either. Throwing away money hand over fist, getting us into all sorts of problems. Sadly? we went from that extreme to the other. And that is the problem with politics of any sort now. It is all too angry and extreme. I think the meme using Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris, as much as it was intended as a joke, is spot on.
Did this myself a little earlier, 62.5% Lib Dems, 25% Labour and 12.5% Green. Not as far left of centre as I thought...
This is the bit that gets me - Reform isn't going for a win, because they know that's not on the cards yet. Farage is just trying to build their platform, so they can sustain themselves in parliament until they have a real chance. As much as i hate the tories and all they stand for, Farage with a real platform is a much scarier prospect.
Yep. Giving him that extra layer of legitimacy by having him sitting in Parliament (even if he'll do **** all actual work, just riding the gravy train like he did in Brussels for years) is scary. Gives him even more of a platform.
I said before that Reform is nothing more than a vehicle for Farage’s political ambitions, but it could be worse than you think. The Tories are going to lose, Sunak will be off to California, and the Tory party is going to tear itself to pieces trying to figure out what it really wants to be. Ordinarily I wouldn’t lose much sleep over that, but if Farage somehow manages to win the Clacton seat there is a real danger that he defects to the Tories and makes a play for the leadership. Farage winning that seat is not a far-fetched crackpot theory either, that seat has previously been won by Douglas Carswell for UKIP. As gratifying as it might be to watch the Conservatives drop to less than 100 seats, and smile smugly as the party tears itself to pieces afterwards… the irony is that I actually want a strong and principled Conservative party in opposition. It’s a disservice to everyone when the opposition has no real power to hold the government to account. But the prospect of having that man sat behind a despatch box in the House is one I don’t even want to think about.
The other worry is that the Tories lurch even further to the right in an attempt to compete with Reform. Either way, I think we can agree that Reform are pushing the Overton window further to the right and that's grim stuff.
