I would agree, its amazing what happens when you put someone who has some form of background in a subject in charge of it for a country.... Like making Timpson Prisons Minister.
Who knew that appointing Ministers with real-world expertise in their assigned role would actually work? (Not the Tories, that's who!)
Just when you think people can't get any more stupid: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/ Despite all that happened around a month ago, Reform's popularity is still rising. F*ck me bloody sideways...
I guess you can take your pick, really… Maybe it was when terrorists were trying to burn down a hotel specifically because it houses asylum seekers. While people were still in the building (that’s the part that makes it terrorism, as opposed to “just” rioting). Or maybe it was when the leader of Reform UK, a sitting member of parliament, was encouraging people by sharing misinformation sourced from a man on the run from charges of sexual assault and sex trafficking of minors. Or maybe it was the decades of poisonous anti-immigration rhetoric that the leader of Reform UK has been at the forefront of.
Again, where is the actual connection between Reform UK and the organisation of the riots? Stupid people will do stupid stuff because they want to and just need an excuse, any excuse, mob rule and that, I'm mean we are all guilty of assuming stuff, me I would be assuming that lot wouldn't be smart enough to vote in the first place but as with yourself I have no proof of that.
Its quite possible I need help because seeing these things on the Internet does not motivate me or anyone I know to go tearing up the town, nor would it any sane person. The problem here is not a political party but an element of society looking for trouble, nothing to see here, quite a stretch to use that as the rationale for Reform causing the riots I will struggle on and find a way to survive without your valuable input.
Please quote where in the thread you saw anyone claim that, because I can't see it. Otherwise, I call strawman fallacy.
Fair enough perhaps it is distorted interpretation of those posts, just a strange thing to do to link the riots and reform.
No, it's not, for the reasons detailed above. EDIT: And here's more, even though I should be working: "Opposition to the riots is near-universal across every part of the public, with Reform UK voters being the only group showing any substantive levels of support, at 21%. Reform UK voters are the only voting group to support the wider protests the unrest is stemming from, with eight in ten (81%) saying they support them to some degree. Again, Reform UK voters are more likely than others to think the unrest is justified, at 33% [...]" "Half of voters think Reform leader Nigel Farage is responsible for riots, poll reveals." "Former counter-terror chief accuses Farage of inciting Southport violence." "One in ten Reform voters say the far right riots made them feel 'proud'." "UK Riots: 'We are a Christian country!' Reform UK's Rupert Lowe rages at mass migration amid wave of unrest." "Nigel Farage sparks anger over 'inflammatory' Leeds riot comments." "The role of Reform UK in fostering far-right riots is plain to see."
If your standard for “causing the riots” means “directly organising”, then no: Reform UK did not directly organise the rioting and terror attacks seen recently. But they didn’t have to. Nigel Farage and other similar figures have been at the forefront of anti-immigration rhetoric for decades. They have worked tirelessly to foster a culture and an atmosphere in which “hostile environment” is no longer simply a slogan. People feel not only comfortable but justified in carrying out the attacks seen recently. Attacks which, I remind people, involved: pulling people from their cars and beating them because they’re not white and are therefore an immigrant; attempting to burn down a hotel used to house asylum seekers and murder everyone inside; calling for mosques to be bombed; and other such shining examples of human behaviour. You don’t go from “I can’t get a job and public services suck” to “it’s the immigrants’ fault that everything sucks, let’s beat and kill them” overnight.
I have deleted some absolute bollocks from this 'ere thread, and to head off any more: no, we're not being flooded by "illegal immigrants", they don't commit crimes at any higher rate than the native populace, they're not taking your jobs or stagnating your wages, and they're not a drain on the NHS. If you believe otherwise, you have been lied to. Stop demonising immigrants, and maybe turn your ire where it belongs: Farridge and his ilk's a good place to start, along with actual convicted illegal immigrant Stephen Yaxley-'Oor Tommeh'-Lennon.
I'm starting to think a politics thread isn't necessarily what the board needs. Everyone is far too polarised and entrenched in their views these days thanks to social media and the nature of the algorithm keeping everyone in their respective bubbles. Frankly, it's not worth the effort trying to educate people on the internet. Their mind is already made up if they can't recognise the grifters behind Reform et al, no amount of facts or debate is going to make one iota of a difference. You'll just get wound up, as I do reading this thread sometimes!
I think this thread is perfectly fine and to be honest, the general standard of discourse in here is very civilised (certainly compared to the rest of the internet, which in fairness is a very low bar). There's some disagreement, sure, but the vast majority of the time it's well within the lines, at least IMHO. I also think it's perfectly possible to disagree with someone or rebut their points without trying to "educate" them. It's a discussion forum, after all
