Discussion in 'General' started by xen0morph, 18 Jan 2006.
buy an '83 nissan truck. yellow. a silver bullet couldn't put my truck down.
Uhm... big engines aren't expensive. You can pick up a nice big car with a V8 for less than most bit-tech members spend on their SLI machines. Those cars are especially good for kids, because they're strong, tough, and there's enough room to do most of the work yourself. I bet those 1.5L cars have very cramped engine compartments, and fuel injection, and lots of electronic **** that's a PITA to fix in order to get more than 50hp out of it.
i've got a 4 cylinder NAP-Z 2.4L engine, trust me, there is more than enough room to work in there. as a general rule, the larger the engine the less room for working, but it does vary with the model, some just have small compartments, while others are large enough to hold about anything comfortably.
my cars an '83, and it's similar to what i'll get my kids. while they will know computers, an almost completely mechanical engine is easier to work on and learn from.
i'm more talking about fuel economy than anything. i'm earning a reasonable amount of money and live with my parents yet i still couldn't afford to run even a 1.8 litre VW when I had it. gas is rediculously expensive in this country. the only realistic option for most people is either a diesel or a small petrol engine, i.e 1.6 litre or smaller.
and as for the comment about there being no room to work etc - nah, my 1.7 turbo diesel has injection and everything but it's fully mechanical and quite easy to get your head round, and there's more than enough room in the engine bay.
Well, not everybody pays $10 a gallon either. Running a 5L engine isn't as cheap as a 2L engine, that is, until you factor in the repairs and the computer.
People can and have dropped 572cid engines into cars like mine. Strong ladder frame, huge engine compartment, the sky's the limit. With the 307, there's a lot more room than most of the small FWD I4s and V6s I've seen.
If your carbureter breaks, you can fix it as best you can and limp home. If your injector breaks, call a tow truck.
but why do you actually need an engine that big?
my first escort had carbs, mechanical everthing, etc, but it was only a 1.3, therefore didn't cost the earth on petrol...
If you're dragging around a 4,500 pound car with 8 people in it and a boat behind it, you need all the low-end torque you can get.
1.3L engines don't put out torque. 307ci engines do.
so buy a diesel MPV, seats 8, will pull a boat and get better than 18 to the gallon(big gallons not small ones) and you can get an auto
Erm, I don't think the MPV is available in diesel. My uncle had one with a 3L V6 and AWD, but according to the EPA, it uses more gas than my Olds.
'89 Olds with 307ci V8
Fuel Type Regular Gasoline
MPG (city) 17
MPG (highway) 24
MPG (combined) 19
'93 MPV with 3L V6
Fuel Type Regular Gasoline
MPG (city) 15
MPG (highway) 19
MPG (combined) 16
I looked at a Mazda site real quick and they say that the MPV was only available with a few four-bangers and the 3L V6.
Americans by and large are too lazy to use manual transmitions (myself included). And, by and large, automatics work just fine if you are used to them.
in regards to this topic, i am not sure why we like the auto transmissons since manual is more fuel effcient, and the car i get will proabbly be a manual transmisson. But i think laziness is a big part of it.
For me having a manual is more convient. Since I got my new bike I havent started or moved my truck, since my grass isnt emo and dosent cut itself I had to get at the grass underneath it. Instead of running inside, getting my keys, starting it up to move it 10 feet, I just pushed in the clutch and put my foot out the door to push it back. And the whole 24mpg city is also a nice thing.
Fuel injected cars so rarely fail because of a fuel or ignition problem, it's irrelevant.
i live in a hilly area, majorly large hills. if your manual stalls you can roll it down a hill and pop start it, try that with an automatic
Because many people here drive minivans, trucks, SUV, etc. Things which generally don't have manual trannys. Also many people see the manual tranny being phased out. Let's face it will only be around a couple more decades. Sequential shifters are faster then a manual will ever be.
However I still enjoy my two manuals.
I have never owned an automatic, On my 7th car right now. Same goes with my GF, she is on her 4th car.
Automatics are for people either A) Not into performance or driving, or lazy, or b) Too lazy or incapable of driving a manual.
I unfortunatly had to learn how to drive on a manuel transmission (had no choice) and ever since then have enjoied every single drive I have ever had.
I currently drive a Kia Sorento, a SUV but surprisingly it has a manuel transmission in it.
Every single person I know in Texas that has never drivin a manuel will always find reasons why they will ever want too, "There to hard to drive", "It would suck in bumper to bumper traffic" and other such complaints. Sadly they dont know what there missing.
Ok, thats all fine and dandy but what really cooks my noodle(pitafull I know) is the people who drive little sports cars like miata's or muscles cars like corvetts with auto's, I mean what were they thinkin at that car lot .
I love the people who buy manual automatics on sports cars. Shift if you want to... but you dont have to the computer will do it for you. but... if you want to feel like your driving a real car, we will give you the impression. I mean come one, clutch an stick is the ONLY way to drive a sports or touring car.
Slap it in neutral and restart it? I used to have to do this on cold mornings when my temp sensor was bad and my car would randomly stall until it got warm.
i mean if youve got a dead battery. i accidentallylet my girlfriend ride in my car and she left the light on inside all night. the battery was barely turning the starter. her charger was in the barn down a hill, and i decided to try it while rolling down the hil. it worked.
it wouldn' be widespread knowlege among older people (most people now drive autos here) if it wasn't useful
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