1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Windows Why do people actually use bit-torrent so much?

Discussion in 'Software' started by TheAnimus, 13 Jul 2005.

  1. ou7blaze

    ou7blaze sensational.

    Joined:
    5 May 2003
    Posts:
    2,653
    Likes Received:
    2
    Bittorent is easy and straightforward to use especially as I use torrentstorm which is simply drag and drop bt files into the program and press start ...

    it's quite accesible ( the bt links themselves)

    and i dunno sometimes the speeds are good sometimes it's not but it has content which I need...
     
  2. MiT

    MiT Don't feed me after midnight!! nom

    Joined:
    18 May 2005
    Posts:
    736
    Likes Received:
    12
    MMM..... I used bit-torrent didnt like it at all.
    Usernet neva used it. Sorry, can not comment on it.

    I use DC++ , you connect to a hub, each hub has it own rules, like min share, size, no porn, or certain amount types of file e.g 5GB min xbox files.

    You can connect to more then one hub, one hub can have 200 TB, one can have 3Tb, so say about 5 types of hubs, you have so much to share.

    Basicay connecting to a few hubs, you can search for files, straight from another users PC. DC++, gets a hashed list of that file. So it will keep a list of that file. you dont download little bits of the file, just that file from that user. If that user is not there, it will find another user with the same file.

    Best thing of all is that you can download a dirctory say music albums, and you can see what a certain person is sharing, there whole collection, like some one had the whole of simpons, so if you want them all, you just click onto that dirctory instead of the each episode. Get me!! :idea:

    If i dont make sence, just check the home page.
     
  3. XUntitled

    XUntitled What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    6 Sep 2004
    Posts:
    454
    Likes Received:
    0
    Honestly Usenet is so much better then BT imo. For me I download at 100% max connection all the time through my ISP (Verizon, unlimited free downloading). I do download illegal copies of movies, I'll say it, straight up. I'm not going to lie. I only do it through Usenet since I can download a 5 gig dvd in 12 hours. Most new things that "Release Groups" let out are released on Usenet before torrent sites so you can always find the new stuff, such as TV shows that just aired and you missed.

    Usenet IRC communities also seem better then "most" BT communities. Not that their aren't good bit torrent communities. I do use BT though, for this or that. It is easy to use and such... but its getting to be not worth it to use. All the junk with sites closing down, having to use ip block lists, and people not seeding just gets to be a pain.
     
  4. Smilodon

    Smilodon The Antagonist

    Joined:
    25 Mar 2003
    Posts:
    6,244
    Likes Received:
    102

    actually.. i don't... at all...
     
  5. julianmartin

    julianmartin resident cyborg.

    Joined:
    25 Jul 2004
    Posts:
    3,562
    Likes Received:
    126

    People use bit torrent so much because one can get a fairly good speed of download, for free. Original P2P methods like the gnutella network and kazaa and all that rubbish, edonkey2001 etc, they all fell because of the problems with speeds, and also unregulated content. Bit torrent is great in the sense that it's quite communal, torrent sites tend to have forums and comments under each torrent, so everyone knows exactly what they are getting......

    the beauty of usenet is that it's still sorta reserved for the "elite", as i will put it, or perhaps the 733t if you want to read it that way...i think it'll be a long time before we start seeing rubbish on there, purely because the sort of people who put crap on transfer networks (freeloading twats), won't want to pay....so with any luck we won't get the crap on there....

    Soon enough, bit torrent will be victimised, and crap will be put on there. In a way i think it already has, it's been plagued by leechers and very few people are willing to upload. there are of course the exceptions.

    also, usenet users are often ones that don't want to upload, because they don't have the ability, or don't want the risk...or perhaps both. I can definetly say i am one of them.

    sadly, usenet is getting plagued with lesser quality releases, and with that, come people who will complain for days on end in forums about this...and i must admit, it is sad, to see what i think is one of the last "untouched" decent transfer systems being brought down by people who are too immature to be happy with what they have got.
     
    Last edited: 15 Jul 2005
  6. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    8
    i've found my ISPs usenet server to be going down hill, and tried to download some things with BT, but the speed, it just is terrible. Coughing up mony for propper access really isn't a problem (i also troll usenet :p)
     
  7. cpemma

    cpemma Ecky thump

    Joined:
    27 Nov 2001
    Posts:
    12,328
    Likes Received:
    55
    Get thee behind me, Animus. Curiosity about Usenet's binary offerings found a Chick Corea/Herbie Hancock album I hadn't heard. :blush:
    And just you remember that, you oik. :p
     
  8. shroom

    shroom What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    6 Aug 2003
    Posts:
    719
    Likes Received:
    0
    Then dont. Downalod. Close client. End story.
     
  9. OneSeventeen

    OneSeventeen Oooh Shiny!

    Joined:
    3 Apr 2002
    Posts:
    3,454
    Likes Received:
    2
    The other day, I wanted to get the entire DVD of sideways (a friend said it was good.... it wasn't bad... but that's another thread) with menus, scene selections, etc.

    I was able to get it in less than 10 minutes without using usenet or bit-torrent!

    Surprisingly, since I am willing to pay, blockbuster has a rather quick transfer rate since it is down the street... And as for music, unfortunately the past 5 years haven't produced anything I'm willing to download much less pay for, so ravetrax.com's stream power my headphones for free atm.

    Most distros I use allow me to download from various mirrors, and I've got a favorites list a mile long that provides blinding speeds. (read: my work has a few OC3's and is connected to the lambda-rail, and despite poor networking, I've pulled an average of 5MB/s depending on the speed of the hard drive I'm using)

    I just thought I'd throw that in while we're all looking down our noses at each other for how we donload stuff from the internet. (kind of funny when you think about it, imo)

    But yes, usenet is fast, and expensive/confusing. (comcast has a craptacular transfer limit, and my work provides very limited acess) And bit-torrent is free, but not near as reliable as I'd like. Fortunately, most downloads I've gotten were crappy anyway and it's worth it to me just to rent movies, listen to online radio, download only free software, and... dare I say it... not watch/view porn. :p
     
  10. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    8
    Myth #1, usenet isn't *that* much more expensive.

    Take for instance plus.net's £25 a month broadband.

    no hosting most ports, so no bit-torrent sharing (well you can leach) so bad speed.

    usenet, no problem, no restriction, very fast.
    add on another £7 for premium top rate unlimeted usenet, and your still considerably cheaper than an "unrestricted" 2mbit.
     
  11. cpemma

    cpemma Ecky thump

    Joined:
    27 Nov 2001
    Posts:
    12,328
    Likes Received:
    55
    Pipex Usenet speed used to be absolutely pathetic, so bad they started a much faster but text-only service alongside the full one. Then they changed again to a faster supply, but it's still not sparkling (I only get 18-20kB/s on a 2Mb/s connection) and Usenet downloads are capped at 10Gb/month on my standard package, and not included at all in the cheaper Lite packages. OK for text, gifs & jpgs, but allow a day or so to get a Linux distro, and don't plan on downloading many movies. They charge £2/5Gb extra, so maybe easier to buy a magazine with the distro on the cover disk. ;)
     
    Last edited: 18 Jul 2005
  12. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    8
    The first time i changed ISP was when someone came out with "low-call" numbers, so i didn't have to dial a locall number, been in the countryside, this ment i couldn't get above 9600 locally. As you can imagine i changed really fast when i could connect at 14.4 for the same call cost.

    Maybe its time for pipex users to vote with their feet?
     
  13. TekMonkey

    TekMonkey I enjoy cheese.

    Joined:
    6 Dec 2002
    Posts:
    3,081
    Likes Received:
    0
    BT is faster than anything else I've used. I actually max out my 5Mbps connection sometimes. I'm lucky to reach 200 kB/s via FTP and I usually don't get much faster than that on usenet.
     
  14. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    8
    ********.

    sorry but thats just pure grade a hormon injected bull.

    Either that or you've never used usenet.

    I was pulling well over 2,000k/bytes a second off my usenet server when i was getting a debian dvd iso.

    I found my laptop HDD was the biggest limiting factor.
     
  15. Comg33k

    Comg33k What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    12 Jul 2005
    Posts:
    157
    Likes Received:
    0
    I've been reading up on this thread, and would have to say that bit-torrents are a lot different from those usenet thingies.

    The fact that I'm going to point out is that I would never pay for a service to download files. Even you don't know if the files are lagit, no matter where you download it from. And that's beside the point. Usually anything you look for is a lagit file, except for mp3's or videos, and latest software titles. Usually these things can be easily caught if you have a good eye...
     
  16. BBurger

    BBurger What's a Dremel?

    Joined:
    7 Apr 2005
    Posts:
    155
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't think that counts... :D Besides, most people only walk at about 4-6km/h, that's not a fast transfer rate at all!

    Haven't bothered figuring out torrents yet, I'm waiting for Opera 8.02, which will have a torrents client built in. (Opera's servers got hammered down when they released 8.00, and suddenly they got BT religion...)

    Linux ISOs via torrent, and there's a lot of legal torrent stuff out there. Creative Commons licensing is very cool stuff... plus *cough* filling in the more obscure ends of my Rolling Stones album collection *cough*...
     
  17. TekMonkey

    TekMonkey I enjoy cheese.

    Joined:
    6 Dec 2002
    Posts:
    3,081
    Likes Received:
    0
    Um...well it's not ********. Maybe it's a problem on my end, but I'm not just making it up. :p
     
  18. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    8
    the thing is i was on a contented 50mbit connection for a bit last week, and i had no problem at all, with just 3 connections getting over 16mbit of that for me :D (and as its 20:1 contention, thats not bad at all!).

    Now normally the more connections to one server the faster a file goes, getright was a famous program that did this for you to great effect.

    but with P2P stuff, you have lotsa connections from lotsa places, packet switching gets its latency from lack of CPU power in switches generally, rather than a 128kbits dual ISDN link, its badly managed packets that do this. Most usenet farms have very well managed connections.

    At the ReadingLAN (gaming) soc we use a CISCO switch designed to switch upto 6gbits/sec iirc. The performance increase compaired to regular un-managed hubs is hudge, 4-5ms off everyones pings! This is an example of how packet switching gets upset the more connections you have, if the gear can't coupe.

    So what i'm trying to say is, its kinda unlikely, unless your ISP has very bad peering with that usenet firm (in which case, change isp, or change usenet firm).
     
  19. MiNiMaL_FuSS

    MiNiMaL_FuSS ƬӇЄƦЄ ƁЄ ƇƠƜƧ ӇЄƦЄ.

    Joined:
    24 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    6,642
    Likes Received:
    154
    IP Masking is as easy as downloading a program, and worsk with BT for the parinoid.


    You can easily MAX out your speed on BT, but you have to use the right client and set it up right. Also 80% of all users arnt green lighted as they dont fully open a port for BT, so they are littery only getting a fraction of their own possible dl speed.

    again its how you use it. As with warez sites 99% of them are full of ********, adware spyware viiruses and porn....and you download sommit you didnt order. Use only sites you run urself or know who runs them, that handle no ******** and check their downloads themselves regually. People that use torrent sites like ISOHUNT just need a slap.
     
  20. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

    Joined:
    25 Dec 2003
    Posts:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    8
    indeed, i have always gone for an IP range for my network since the advent of ADSL, so i always "green light" in azerues.

    My point is very simple, my down, 2mbit (8mbit soon?) my up, 0.25mbit. To get the share ratio of 1. i need to upload fully, this isn't about how the new MS one will be better because it takes away the problem with completetion, or anything like that. Its just simple that ADSL, and most peoples connections aren't suited to BT (or P2P).

    I just can't see why people use it so much and say its good. Its terrible!
     
Tags:

Share This Page