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Wikileaks' latest leak

Discussion in 'Serious' started by tristanperry, 28 Nov 2010.

  1. BRAWL

    BRAWL Dead and buried.

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    So the Buddhists are mastubating furiously to some porn then yeah?

    Staffed by volunteers? Not a chance in hell of that happening. The Internet as much as we rage... is pushed around by money, investment, investment, investment... thats how it has always worked. However I don't think the internet could be censored on a truly global scale. Look how fast infomation travels... a picture of the 5990 covered the globe in under 25 minutes, you'd have to knock out the entire net all at once to put anything in place censorship wise.
     
  2. thehippoz

    thehippoz What's a Dremel?

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    have way more respect for anon than wikileaks.. at least anon has some skills :) even if misguided.. any sap can do what julian does

    just have to be an expert and raping and blowing things out of porportion.. media loves it
     
  3. eddtox

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    It is how it has always worked, but that doesn't mean it couldn't work any other way.
    Of course the internet will never be free. The costs of maintaining and improving infrastructure will have to be covered, but I suspect most of the current "investment" goes into paying shareholder dividends and the bosses' salaries. I guarantee that a non-commercial entity would be able to offer the same degree of infrastructure improvements for much lower costs.

    I agree that censoring any one given material on a global scale would be very difficult, however censorship is fast becoming global as various governments and commercial entities gain a hold over it - they just censor different things in different countries.
     
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  5. Cookiemonster101

    Cookiemonster101 What's a Dremel?

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    Every time I catch up on this thread I see you trolling. I hope you're kidding.
     
  6. thehippoz

    thehippoz What's a Dremel?

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  7. BRAWL

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    It's true unfortunatly... They predicted the death of a 'free internet' by 2020 though didn't they? As more of the net becomes focused on financial worth over freedom of expression/speech blah blah.

    lol saw that yesterday... friggin' priceless

    Dude, please go look what trolling is, then come back to this thread... trolling is actively looking for an argument.
     
  8. Cthippo

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  9. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    ^^^ + rep. :hehe:
     
  10. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    "Just because you can make a noise doesn't mean you have anything to say" --Bill Watterson

    Oh, and BRAWL: most of the Internet runs on open source (=written by volunteers) software.
     
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  11. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    Hippoz is sincere in his comments and while I may not agree with him, I do respect his right to express them.
     
  12. AshT

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    With regards the Internet and Freedom of Speech, go to www.freedomofspeech.com - it tells you everything you need to know about t'internet.
     
  13. Siwini

    Siwini What is 4+no.5?

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  14. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Thehippoz is not the most sophisticated of writers (and arguably, thinkers) so his statements often come across as crass. But this also means that on occasion he has a way of cutting right through all the crap and getting right to the crux of an issue. I've certainly learned to read his posts twice and think about them before I reply.

    His only flaw is that he does not consider other viewpoints much. That does not mean he has to agree with them, but just because they seem circumlocuitous does not make them miss the point altogether. If he can get this balance right he'll make a fearsome debater. :)

    :hehe:
     
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  15. eddtox

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  16. tristanperry

    tristanperry Minimodder

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    A bit off-topic, but two points:

    1) Being written by volunteers does NOT equal open source

    2) Most of the internet does NOT run off open source software

    Other than that though :hehe:
     
  17. Nexxo

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    73% of web servers run Apache which is open source.

    A main principle and practice of open source software development is peer production by bartering and collaboration, with the end-product, source-material, "blueprints" and documentation available at no cost to the public. Sounds like volunteer work to me. :)
     
  18. tristanperry

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    Web servers sure, but what runs on top of them aren't usually open source. Heck, even the most popular server control panel - cPanel - is closed source/proprietary :)

    And then that as an aside, the actual software powering the websites: be it a bespoke solution (ala 99.9% of massive websites), vBulletin, IPB (popular forum softwares) etc aren't open source. Even SMF (the fairly popular free forum software) isn't open source - despite being 100% volunteer driven - since its license prevents it from being distributed.

    So yeah, I know what you are saying but much of the web is closed source IMO (even if the open source parts of the web and software are fairly big and growing daily, granted).

    *Shrugs* I guess it depends on the definition of open source (of which there really isn't one, hence why many consider SMF - which is free and volunteer driven - not to be open source).

    I see it as something whose license allows it to be modified and distributed as the recipient would like. And much of the software online doesn't operate via such licenses.
     
  19. thehippoz

    thehippoz What's a Dremel?

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    that's probably true.. don't know what circumlocuitous means :) I do look at the points posted though- just sometimes I feel so strongly opposed end up making an ass out of myself

    like in rl.. people who don't know me think I'm a mexican forklift driver or something.. so I'm used to it hehe
     
  20. StingLikeABee

    StingLikeABee What's a Dremel?

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    I don't think you make an ass of yourself, and I also think you have the gift of being able to put your point across without trying to gild the lilly. I trust people who talk straight much more than those who clearly like the sound of their own voices (or flow of their text) too much! Keep shooting from the hip, at least we know you are sincere and honest:rock::thumb:
     

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