Seeing the comment on @GaryP's wanted thread reminded me about how irritating and wasteful MS' decision to exclude hardware that's pre Intel 8th gen is. I have used the Rufus Win 11 workaround successfully on a couple of 7th gen machines, but am annoyed to lose even perfectly good 3rd and 4th gen i5 PCs that are still not really struggling with what they're asked to do. Someone somewhere described the MS decision as the biggest generator of E Waste in years and I have to agree.
And yet none of 'green' parties, protestors etc kicking off. As long as I have a reusable carrier bag then its fine I suppose. Our government should be kicking off about it but that twunt Starmer doesn't give a crap bar himself.... and before I get the politics bollocks, I couldn't stand Boris or Rishi either. Our government, whichever shower'o'shite gets in, should be playing merry hell. Self serving tossers along with microsoft.
It is annoying. I have an i7 6700K which might be long in the tooth but still does absolutely everything I need from it, despite being nearly 8 and a half years old at this point. But no Win11 for me because this CPU isn't modern enough. MS need to give their heads a wobble if they think I'm going out and buying a new motherboard, CPU and RAM just to run Windows 11. Nae chance.
I have a lovely little Core i7 840QM machine, does everything we need from it, it's only 15yrs old.....come on, I mean where does it stop I'm surprised they support so much for so long, oooh, I do love to be a contrarian
It is amazing that things have plateaued for a long time performance wise, and that surprisingly old kit is still able to do the job. I rarely buy new kit other than power supplies and storage as a way to be a bit more sustainable. Having to discard it for no good reason dues wind me up. I had my first hardware failure in ages recently, a 4th gen Intel board. As mentioned, Rufus can put Win 11 on unsuitable hardware, but I do worry that loophole will be closed somehow by MS. Linux and open source stuff could be a potential route but it doesn't always fill the gap, I have seen annoying inconsistencies with using Word and Excel files on Libre Office for example. I just hate seeing functioning kit go in the E waste stream.
I guess the key problem is Intel no longer supports it, so why would MS support it for ever, it's EOL.
But there are literally millions of pcs that still work. They are not EOL (only commercially). No excuses for not supporting them. Government(s) pressure would sort it.
Come to the Linux side. We have penguins Seriously though, I know whereof you speak. Our IT is scrapping PCs left & right, because corporate told them to go 100% W11 before W10 is EOS'd in October. (EOS - End of Support)
Just last week, I installed Win11 on my wife's 10 years old laptop no problem. Lenovo T450s. Some Intel 5000 CPU. The install USB was modified by Rufus. Had to disable fast boot, otherwise built-in keyboard/trackpad doesn't work. There's also a mystery PCI device in the device manager. But other than that, everything else seems to work. I agree with the E-waste aspects. If the install doesn't work, we would have bought a new laptop, which is an unnecessary waste of resources.
It's early in the morning and I genuinely can't tell if you are being facetious, completely serious or just trying to cause trouble, but... This is absolute rot. If a product being "EOL" meant that MS wouldn't support it then most PCs out there wouldn't be supported, including anything over a couple of years old. As I say, I really can't tell what your intention is with this post, but there's a difference between "install Win 11 at your own risk on old hardware" and "We won't let you even try to install Win 11 on hardware that's greater than an arbitrary age" which is where we are now. And I know you can unofficially install Win 11, and it'll run, on older hardware, which is kind of my point really.
No more iGPU driver updates or firmware fixes for the CPU compromises the development and security of the OS going forward, at some point you have to cut the cord or you'll struggle to move forward under the weight of all the work required to support the kludges/fixes of old hardware. Its a normal thing for business to do, at some point your hardware/software becomes legacy.
I am the most unenviromentally friendly person on the planet. I drive a 20 year old 3 litre diesel which isn't allowed into cities (no loss here - London my birthplace is dead to me). I can't afford anything else the size I need currently. I love beef. I barely recycle other than cardboard/paper and I will give stuff away rather than sending it straight to tip. When I get lectures from people about it my usual response is how many kids you got... as soon as they have confirmed they have any then I point out their argument with me is zero. I don't have kids (my grandkids are from stepson) and so when I peg it my carbon footprint disappears with my last breath, the cork going up my arse in mortuary to stop the methane, and the flames that incinerate me. After that nothing... not a jot. Their kids and grandkids will carry on polluting way after I am gone. Even considering all that, its grinding my gears, this destroying perfectly good computers is barely worth a mention but they can charge 800 a year for car tax, put the price of diesel through the roof (taxed to hell) . People replacing phones every 5 mins with sod all wrong with them, and if they don't they are deliberately crippled. I have two tablets here I use and now neither of them can view websites properly because software won't update. I can't figure out how to jailbreak them .. but I shouldn't have to. George Carlin was right all those years ago.. he said "F&%* the planet - the planet is fine. Its us that's f***ed" Greed is the only reason everything is going to hell. Microsoft, Amazon etc are just speeding it up and the governments just let them.
That's... the environmentally friendly way to do things? Reduce, reuse, recycle: reduce the amount of crap you get in, reuse as much of the crap as you can, recycle whatever you can't reuse - in that order. Giving stuff away is reusing it, and way better than chucking it in the bin - recycling or otherwise. But yeah, as said above: Linux is the answer. Debian still offers an i386 installer, and plans to until at least 2038. Thanks to WINE, Proton, and Heroic Launcher gaming's sorted, I've been collaborating with Microsoft Office users using LibreOffice for years without complaint - I've written entire books in LibreOffice Writer! - but if you run into problems Office 365 works in the browser. As does Xbox Cloud Gaming, for that matter. And you don't have Copilot popping up to bother you. Or adverts on your applications menu¹. Or the requirement to sign up for a Microsoft account. And so on, and so forth. 1: Apart from when Canonical put that Amazon lens into Unity, but let's gloss over that.
OK, What flavor of Linux, though. I haven't touched that stuff since Lindows got their butts sued off. -Totally out of the loop here.
I have used linux for basic stuff but mum has software that needs windows. Until all popular software bothers to work on Linux its screwed. Things like Corel are owned by venture capitialists etc and are all in the status quo to make more money so have no interest in the puclic. Until then, unless the corrupt governments pull rank then sod all happening. When I say I am not environmentally friendly, I am not sorting out all the stuff that goes in my bins, I don't care about cows fossil fuels etc whilst places like China and USA churn stuff out and all this green crap spouted by the governments in this country is just a way to tax people. The EU should have put pressure on Microsoft or between all the countries should have developed a version of Linux to rival Microsoft.
Ubuntu's the path of least resistance, but Canonical continues to do its best to ruin it. A lot of people recommend Linux Mint, which tries to be Ubuntu with the stupid filed off - but they've too much history of idiocy in the project for me to recommend it. System76, a US-based vendor of Linux machines, has its own thing annoyingly called Pop!_OS, which I'm told is good. It's also getting its own in-house desktop environment, Cosmic, which a mate who's testing it loves. Eh? Linux accounts for the overwhelming majority of the server space, all but a handful of machines in the HPC space, a big chunk of the embedded space, and has recently doubled its market share on the desktop (to a whopping five per cent, admittedly.) If you count WSL, in fact, it's on more desktops than any other operating system(!) Linux is doing just fine. I've been using Linux exclusively on the desktop for over 20 years now, never needed anything I don't have. Fun fact: one of the first Linux distributions I ran on the desktop was Corel Linux. Bought it in a big cardboard box from PC World, if you can imagine such a thing!
Is there a guide on how to install Win 11 on unsupported Hardware? I would like to have a go at installing Win 11 on my laptop.
I love Linux, I meant what they refer to as 'apps' now. I am strictly referring too windows operating system alternatives. If I could use Linux on my pc for everything I need I would have swapped years ago. I wish there was one that will absolutely take on and give windows a kicking.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/install-windows-11-on-unsupported-hardware https://www.howtogeek.com/759925/how-to-install-windows-11-on-an-unsupported-pc/ loads on you tube
