Windows Windows 8.1

Windows 8.1 mouse lag reportedly renders some PC games "close-to unplayable"
The problems some people are having with 8.1 seem never ending.

 

The above is false.
The problem is that the game is suppose to use RAW data from the mouse, not ask the OS where the mouse position is. Basics of gaming.

The result, is that the mouse pool rate is result to up to 125Hz. 125Hz is a very good office mouse. I have one, many people have one, and people can play games, those that complain the ones with 1000Hz or 500Hz pool rate, extremely competitive players, where they notice the reduction in pool rate. So no, it's not "unplayable" as they claim.

That's like going "Windows 8.1 makes game unplayable... they pass from solid 60Hz, and can dip at 59Hz! 59Hz ONLY! 59Hz is just unplayable!".

Please.

 

Yeah, but they're psychological ones.

 

Saying its false just because game developers didn't know Microsoft was going to change the way Windows updates pointer positions, doesn't make it not true.
When a change to the OS affects thousands of games i would be inclined to say its a problem with the OS, not in the games that have for years depended on certain outputs being produced by the said OS.

 

Games are not affected. High poll rate mouses are affected as mouse data is provided at 125Hz, the standard mouse poll rate.

And they are nowhere near "close-to unplayable". They are playable as with a standard mouse settings. You know, like majority of players plays.

 

So instead of thousands of games, its most performance mouse on the market including the Habu that was made in collaboration with Razer.

 

Instead of thousands of games becoming "unplayable", it is the limited number of performance mice used by the limited number of hardcore gamers defaulting to standard poll rate so that these players don't quite enjoy the split-second edge they once had --until they tick a box in the compatibility settings.

Yeah, it's a calamity.

 

Just one of the tedious sacrifices of being hardcore.

 

Builds and finely tunes an overclocked triple SLI rig; can't tick a box in compatibility settings.

 

This is just my experience, but this is the first time I've ever upgraded a Windows install. I've only ever formatted and installed new versions from scratch. That said, over the weekend I upgraded our two home-built desktop computers and my wife's laptop from 8 to 8.1.

The only issue I encountered was the initial login. Microsoft of course defaulted to asking for the Microsoft account information in order to finish setting up the computer. I prefer to use a local account, but I was not given the option. I had to enter a knowingly invalid username and password before I got the option to use the existing local account information. It was awkward, but the workaround was successful.

Still, that is the only problem either of us had and everything else has worked perfectly. My biggest joy is that I can now use my desktop wallpaper in the Start Screen. I don't ask for much, so I guess I'm easy to please.

 

Been pretty happy with windows 8 but the 8.1 has stuffed my laptop up  Anyone got any tips, I never switch my Atom based tablet off, the screen dims and locks it self and does into some form of sleep which I just hit a key to bring it out of and enter a password, this was fine. Now I just get a black screen on wake up and have to hard power off the machine to get it going again. Real shame.

Also can I get the nav and tab bar separated to put the tabs back to the old positions the top of the screen on explorer, much preferred that, I can’t see option but don’t find config stuff so easy in Win8.

 

If you were truly hardcore you'd buy an Ebay rig, because there's nothing more hardcore than putting over £1000 of hardware in to a £20 case! Did I mention it was hardcore?

I can't talk though, being the one that can't even figure out how to mute Metro Skype!

 

Try playing with the power settings. Sometimes changing something and then back again fixes it.

Sorry, nope; you're stuck with that one. I preferred the old setup as well, but there you are...

 

And putting in a lot of fans --while leaving the side panel off.

 

Why waste time taking the panel off when you can just drill holes in it?

 

Thousand of games are still unplayable, and it not about split second timing, this is real lag introduced by the way 8.1 reads GetCursorPos calls to read mouse movement.
http://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/1oor43/windows_81_warning_for_gamers_issues_with/

But all is OK as people that bother to read about the problem can just tick a box in the compatibility settings, for the rest that don't they can just think 8.1 is a POS and possibly downgrade. If Microsoft want their new OS to be seen as being better just leaving people with a plethora of problems isn't going to help their cause one bit.

 

"Real lag" is subjective. Can we express that in a time interval please? After all I don't notice any lag on my normal 125Hz office mouse, which is what the performance defaults to.

But I'm sure that anybody who considers themselves a hardcore gamer will have fired up Google and found a solution in a New York minute. Those who are not hardcore gamers don't even notice the difference, because performance is the same as that of any ordinary mouse.

This feels to me like the same problem that games had when they relied on the hardware clock cycles rather than an internal one. As PCs sped up, so did the games --to unplayable levels. PCs started coming with a "Turbo" button (effectively a clock speed halver) to compensate for this. Basically hardware had to slow down because of sloppy games programming.

So what is Microsoft to do? Never change anything that might break an existing program? That is how we ended up with a lot of legacy bloatware and crazy folder structures that Windows is so maligned for. Or do publishers have an obligation to patch their software as things progress?

 

I took a look at the poll rate used on my G500s and it is set to 500 and I havent noticed a problem with mouse input. I admit that all I have played was Mafia 2. I havent fired up BF3 since the update been too busy.

But finding no issues with Windows 8.1.

 

Seems it required a new graphics driver, I didn't think to look for that as I didn't expect any changes to have an effect on those, sorted any way, well at lest I think it is, I haven't had it on long enough to test.

At least I am not alone I suppose, can't think why this change was done, even though it's the same functionally, it feels like they have lopped a great deal of comfort out of my browsing experience.

 

No real lag isn't subjective, it can be measured with software like Mouse Movement Recorder.
What makes you think most gamers would bother to search for a solution, when we probably both know most will find it easier to go on some forum and just proclaim 8.1 is rubbish for gaming. You only need to look on your average support forum for a game to see the level of knowledge when it comes to using Google or knowing anything about their PC.

And no im not saying Microsoft should never change, im saying they need to work closer with both hardware manufactures and software developers so these changes can be implemented without causing problems for their customers.