Windows Windows 8 Marmite thread... Because you either love it or hate it

Greetings!

 

I don't know, but it sounds to me that it's just IE and unsupported Metro UI apps that have problem with scaling. This is nothing new. Windows 7 and older Windows (worst), has this problem.

 

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http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/9/2...ail-tablets-will-get-10-hours-of-battery-life

Full-fat Windows 8, on a 9mm thin, 1.5 lbs. tablet, with 10 hours battery life. See the future, know the future, love the future.

 

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Sure, an Atom dual-core.

The future might be full of waiting to get things done.

 

Well isn't this going to be a problem on surfaces where scaling will be obligatory?

 

Problem is for windows 8

99% of the general consumer will not get how it works, the other users ( power users wont install it in the first place ). Vista had issues they are nothing compared to how the beta preview of windows 8 currently runs and since its release candidate i think we can say they are in trouble.

Scaling is currently fubar so certain programs that work in windows 7 no longer scale so you cant even view them or use them correctly.

Does medfield now support LTE pretty crucial for USA market adoption if the answer is no the chip is DOA in the main tablet market. If this is the chip microsoft plans to put in its x86 tablet as competition for the ultrabooks with full fat cpus they are in huge trouble.

Look at it from a business point of view ( most of whom bearly upgraded to windows 7 from xp )

Do you,

A. Install a complicated OS that 90% of your staff probably will not understand, which will require countless man hours of tutoring them which loses you productivity. Productivity = cash and cash = king for all businesses.

B. keep your current OS that your staff knows how it works and gain the productivity.

In these hard times B wins out all the time.

And no sane company will install an application like above to bring back the desktop its just not done.

Windows 8 may be great on a phone or tablet but microsoft just basically said we dont want the business sector no more, or the schools sector for that matter. If the Application management system once locked down does not allow you to load any application then no school will install it. As they require a locked system where installs are concerned but still require the student to be able to use the computer.

Microsoft are trying to be like Apple with this closed system and application store. Problem is apple has a loyal fanbase who will put up with most things. Microsoft does not and is not in the position to try stuff like this.

Bring on windows 9 hopefully we will be back to normal again.

 

“mice are nice ideas, but of dubious value for business users.” --George Vinall, PC Week, April 24, 1984 issue

 

Greetings!

Metro started infecting forums now:
http://www.forumswindows8.com/forum.php

 

Sure, tapping huge boxes with distinctive background is way too complex UI for anyone to understand. For the rest, there is the manual where they will explain the extremly complex tap in corners UI concept.

LTE ? What does that have to do with the OS ? What does that have to do with the chip itself ?

You are missing few major factor :
1) Windows 8 has the first tablet UI which could be usable for business users
2) In 18 months, all Windows XP support will be gone. Not even security updates. So if MS releases Windows 8 now, then a SP1 somewhere in June 2013, then it will be the ideal OS for the update cycle when Windows XP extended support ends in April 2014.

Modern UI and Windows Store is not going away.

 

In 1984 he was probably right

 

I fully agree with faugusztin,

Wrong. From what I can see, the "general consumer" as you put it, are interested in Windows 8. People always ask me what's that "cool menu" that I have on my laptop, and I showed them that's Windows 8, and are super interested. And they are the ones bringing up how they can see Facebook status update of friends. Which I answer yes they could. I don't have a Facebook account to show it. I only have Music, Whether, and several News apps.

What issue? DPI scaling isn't a bit issue. Most tablet and computer runs at minimum Windows 8 resolution of 1366x768.
Plus, I just tried high DPI scaling on my laptop, so everything is extra big as I only have a 1440x900 monitor, and everything shows properly. I haven't tried IE10 yet.
So I don't see the problem. At least not yet, and at least on the RTM build that I have.
No one freaked out about the lack of the Start Menu. They saw it was in the corner, and it gets to a big menu, which you can still search for those who knew/used this feature.

Proof? Or example?

You can purchase LTE chips. You can laptops today (and several years ago), with cellphone networks. It's an add-on, or wireless card upgrade that most people don't get. On my laptop, I have the SIM card slot. It's under the battery in my case.

Businesses uses a 6 to 8 year cycle to upgrade. The ONLY reason why Windows 7 was upgraded, for SOME businesses. Is because they had no choice. Hardware does not support, work under XP. And/Or IT staff discovered how XP is really insure and can't be taken seriously.

As for schools, assuming we look at Colleges and University. They install new OSs only so that they don't look bad, and show that they care about maintenance their infrastructure. They tend to upgrade once every 2 OS update.

More like, you wait until this new layout becomes mainstream, that everyone is comfortable to use, which will cut training of the staff by a huge amount, and then implement it.

You don't gain productivity, you are keeping it steady, at the exchange of reduce employee moral. Countless studies have been done on employee behavior when they feel neglected. That is why they pull all these activities and such, to show to the employes that the company that they work in, cares about them. Those who don't, and too cheap to replace light bulbs, tend to do very poorly, very quickly. IBM was guilty of this many many years ago (when PC's where fairly new). So now, companies tend to keep things updated, to boost productivity, but at the same time, safe money.. So every 6 or so years they upgrade. Low moral = low productivity.

I don't have to provide any proof on the above. It's talked in all into to Management and Administration classes.

More like they knew that no companies and school will update to Windows 8, due to their long cycles, and that this give them a perfect opportunity to release a new groundbreaking UI, and allow people to get used to it, to perfect it over the years, as the Start Menu experienced.

People said the same thing with:
-> Windows 1
-> Windows 95 with the Start Menu
-> Windows XP with the large Start menu
-> Windows Vista with the instant search (see Windows 7 success,, which brought no change to the start menu)
-> Windows 7 with the task bar, called: Exact replica of MacOS task bar, and Microsoft has no innovation, and how what they created is based on something else, and they never take any risks. Well look how the Windows 7 isn't MacOS task bar replica, and how Windows 7 is doing
-> And now we have Windows 8.

The same can be said with Nintendo, after the SNES. Every console they released was seen as Nintendo death, and how it will fail. The exception was the GameCube, which was more powerful than the PS2, and fitting what people wanted.... it didn't sale. Look! Like RIM! But unlike Nintendo, RIM decided to try again and again with their mistake of not innovating and staying true to their original design and concept. Now RIM is pulling a Windows 8, which a drastic new interface. The problem is that unlike Windows 8, they have no room to perfect it. f it sucks on day 1, they are screwed. Microsoft can afford several version of Windows to perfect it, unless the XBox stops selling, same for Office, and no companies buys their licenses of patents, all at once.

You can do this in Windows 8, exactly the same way you do in Windows 7 and Vista. It's Vista that had it different, which makes many IT staf, including where I worked be annoyed. But once they saw how to do it, and learned everything, they find it very nice, and practice. As one of the IT guys doing vb scripts said "NO MORE SCRIPTS!!! YYYEEEESSSS!!!" As Vista and later has all the options that weren't there in XP, and scripts had to be made.

 

He was wrong in 1984. At the time the market had many OS options to choose from.
People voted for GUI with a mouse. And who took that decision? It was not computer illiterate. It was power users, us!

 

I won't comment further because:

A. In 1984 I was between the ages of -4 and +7 months old
B. I have no interest in conducting the necessary research on the state of GUIs in '84

 

The reason why the text was not scaling in Metro UI apps, is because its vector based. Like Flash. If you scale Flash content, and assuming the code allows it, the higher the resolution, the larger the icons and text.

If the screen resolution isn't larger, than only the desktop will scale.

As for IE10, I tried several sites, including Bit-tech.net, and no visual problems. When IE10 scales images, it applies a smoothing effect. Firefox does exactly the same. Side by side, the image scaling and smoothness are identical. Even on my site. The small arrows appear equally blurry on both, same for my logo. So it's 100% normal to see the problem in the article that was mentioned before. More B.S from people that don't know anything, or can't do research.

 

I meant as computer enthusiasts/scientists (computer science and Software engineer fields didn't exists back then)/IT.

So then don't comment on things you don't know.

 

I understand that you meant enthusiasts of the time and not us as in the current bit tech community. My point was that I wasn't old enough to have direct experience.

Well I said I wouldn't! Do you need me to sign an oath or something?

 

Which was why by 1990 every computer came with a mouse? Vision is a wonderful thing.

 

Speeds of up to 1.8GHz and Hyper-Threading on an OS that has been redesigned to run fast on lean systems? We'll see. Seems snappy enough:

 

the medfield question was in responce to the tablets that somebody linked above.

 

the quote doesn't show he predicted the failure of the mouse, just pointed to its irrelevance to a niche segment in 84. Are you saying we should always shoehorn the latest technology into our lives even if its not developed enough or suitable for our current needs for the sole reason that in the future it may become the status quo?

I guess we could do that and repeat the mantra "its ok, this is the future" while running into various inadequacies of inappropriately chosen latest tech.