Windows Windows 8 Marmite thread... Because you either love it or hate it

Or should we stick with doing what we've always done, and getting what we always got? I mean, it's not as if the Wright brothers were building airliners. It's not as if DARPAnet was going to have any non-military applications...

All progress starts in alpha. It is those who have vision who can see whether or not it has a future.

 

Holy crap, that's nippy.

OT, but that's the worst spell of weather I've seen for a while.

 

There's also no point in trying to fly the wright brothers aeroplane transatlantic. Saying that their plane is a nice idea but has no commercial use is not advocating standing still its stating a fact. Once it developed it became useful and commercial. But the first iteration had a usefulness that was little more than a toy.

 

Yet without their 'toy' we would not have airliners today. Again, it's those who have vision who can see the conceptual possibilities beyond the rough prototype.

 

What about the potential aeroonauts with wings strapped to their arms, oscillating umbrellas, spinning spirals. Having vision is only useful if you can execute it well.

 

No, having vision is being able to tell the difference between contraptions that will simply never work, and those that are the beginning of something great.

 

Greetings!

Didnt see any work done in the video.

 

You saw some graphic-intensive eye candy. I think it will handle Word.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760977

Minecraft, Blizzard and Valve rebel. Not a great start for an OS touting it's ability for games.

 

Minecraft works under WIn8 (unless he made it on purpose to not work), as it works in Win7.
He said that he will simply not support it. What Markus doesn't get, is that Windows is an open platform. You can still go on the web and download wtv you want. Yes, Microsoft COULD potentially close it up in later versions of Windows. But we are not there yet. Maybe in Windows 9 or 10, but I think that doing this will kill Windows.

How many companies offers software that the store won't allow. Like software that can potentially harm the user computer permanently (overclock software), as just 1 simple example. People will switch away really quickly. Microsoft knows this. There is no denying that the idea of the Store is to make money, but another reason is to offer a unified location to find apps, which Windows 8 DESPERATELY needs for its ability to enter the tablet market. People won't start digging for applications on the web, which installs a Metro app. And as it would require a lot of digging, this opens up fake site proving fake software which has malware, or the software that they want, but also installs a malware software like a key-logger. Also, it won't encourage developers at all. When you have a store, which showcases products, that interest developers, as it will make it more visible to the public.

 

Window 8 RT is NOT an open platform.

And in regards to standard Windows 8...

The point he was making is that whilst iOS runs on all Apple devices and thus you buy Apple and you get Apple Hardware/Software... you've already comitted to buying in to a closed system anyway by purchasing the hardware.

The PC (that is the Personal Computer, you know that x86, now largely x86_64 architecture based computer IBM came up with way back)... is an open system. Microsoft don't make policy or set standards on how the PC is created, and your free to run whatever you like on the hardware.

MS thinks it has a right to the PC and it doesn't (just look at the issue over Restricted Boot)... it wants to claim the PC entirely for itself and make a closed system out of it.

 

He was talking about Windows 8, not Windows RT.
Windows RT is a close system, like iOS is for the iPad. And as he said, you are committing yourself to a closed system. Windows RT can't be installed on a desktop computer. In fact you won't be able to buy it, unless you are an approved OEM by Microsoft.

Restricted Boot is a feature of UEFI. Microsoft only supports it. If you don't like how UEFI works, complain to Intel. Just don't enable it (or disable it) and you'll be fine. As not being able to do it on a Windows RT tablet, this is the same for iOS. You can't install Android on iOS device. When you buy a Windows RT table, you commit yourself to the close system, like the iPad, as you said it yourself.

 

Few windows 8 reviews around the net general feeling avoid if desktop user.

Something I didn't relise you can not launch any none metro app without leaving the metro interface, so if you want to play battlefield 3 for example first you must leave metro second launch origin 3rd launch bf3. For an OS that says designed with games in mind this sounds kinda mental.

How confusing that will be to the older people who use Microsoft, took me 3 years to teach my parents the in and out of it, our gran can bearly manage email. Imagine trying to explain to her she has to do 3 steps just to edit a photo in her program of choice.

Unless origin gets a native metro app ( EA said it wouldn't ) then it's a bit of a mess around to just launch a game.

Something else these reviews taught me, metro software uses a seperate install folder vs normal software.

They ran it on an hp touchscreen pc to see how it performed. Microsoft may of just screwed up its biggest market.

 

Or you could click on the icon for Origin in the start screen in just the same way you'd click on Origin in the start menu on Windows 7? Or you could skip Origin completely by creating links to Battlelog on the start screen. Or you could just pin a link to Battlelog onto the taskbar.

Perhaps you could try teaching her how to do it properly? I.e. click button for photo app on start screen, then edit photo.

In that case it's a bit of a mess around to just launch a game in windows 7. The only difference between 7 and 8 is what the start menu/screen looks like.

Is this an issue?

 

Yeah, rollo, I can really see your granny use Photoshop.

You fret too much. Before long every game will have a Metro launcher or even (I predict) a dedicated Metro-style page.

 

I was Ninja'd.

Oh well.

The Start Screen is exactly like the Start Menu.. just takes the whole screen. You pin folders and programs. So you can pin BF3 executable directly. Same for Steam games, same for anything.

That's what they said about Windows 7 new task bar and Office 2007. My mom and dad which barely know how to use Windows, let alone Office. Not only knew instantly how to use Windows 7 and Office 2007, but instead of calling me on how to do things, they call me about what they discovered... like how to insert a picture in a document, and format it.
Users are more intelligent than what you think, and they might need a few push in the right direction, but they manage at the end of the day. Microsoft does a lot of research, and test. They don't do random things.

Yes. The idea is that the programs follows you (with your Microsoft account), as you change systems.
And if you complain about that, how about complaining at about every game studio, to stop treating your Document folder as a trash bin, and thought all it's save game, temp file and such in it, in 0 organization. Windows has a nice folder called SAVED GAMES. I don't see you complaining about that. So why complain about the fact that you can't define an install path for a Metro app, which to me honest, at least it's out of your sight, and organized.

 

Can't be done as the store writing apps rules state that due to the sandboxed nature of apps they cannot call EXE's or any other none metro interface.

So yes you can have a shortcut on the start screen, you cannot have for example a stream or origin metro app that can install and run external games.

You would have to completely write and compile the game in and for metro.

Desktop=open. Install and run whatever you want.

Start screen=closed. install and run only apps MS has approved, that conform to its TOS.

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I will install it either way as i have done with xp vista and 7 even if its duel boot purposes, problem is will others outside of this forum or others like it really care for the software.

Windows 7 was the first OS since xp that has actually generated some form of hype for its release, people who were not computer bright were even asking about its date of release. ( windows me and vista recieved press coverage for totally different reasons )

Is the future of the Operating System a Touch interface device, that is what Microsoft is betting on.

Still prefer an Open OS vs a Closed one or i would of headed to Mac OSX and stayed there long time ago, Andriod succeeds because its Open platfrom. Can Microsoft take windows the Apple route of been a Closed platform which id imagine is its eventual intensions. ( And release intensions of windows RT)

Can anyone say there fokes are asking them about windows 8, Maybe the big promotional push will come this month and things will pick up but i have not seen alot on tv that people will pick up on.

I own every os out there from OSX to linux, for my point of view i prefer the old interface of windows. The new interface for me belongs on touchscreen enabled devices, not a mouse and keyboard.

At £25 it will be getting duel booted either way for the sake of learning its fun bits and pieces if nothing else.

Assume Bit Tech will review it when its out using a touch screen and using a standard mouse and keyboard would be fun to see there thoughts on each as a usage device.

 

True, but that's not the idea.
Beside who cares about a launcher app, inside a launcher area (Start Screen/Menu). This I find ridiculous silly. Just pin your games directly on the Start Screen. Why have a second level for the same thing?

 

That price will be a digital-only UPGRADE. That means you cannot dual boot between Windows 7 and the Windows 8 upgrade of the same Windows 7 key.