Electronics would oscillation harm NiMH when charging?

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  1. daguuy

    daguuy I hate lolcats

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    So far I've been using a big, bulky, not very portable DC power supply to charge my portable N64 because it charges at about 800ma and that's the only 12v PSU I have that can supply enough power (if it gets too little ma, it doesn't fully charge). But I just found a smaller wall wort that's 12v 830ma but it's AC. I could easily change it to DC with a bridge rectifier but wouldn't that make it oscillate a bit without any extra filtering stuff? Would that be bad for charging NiMH or would it work?
     
  2. ElThomsono

    ElThomsono Multimodder

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    AFAIK, all it would take is a capacitor to completely smooth out the signal from the bridge rectifier.
     
  3. Moriquendi

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    If you feed 12v ac through a bridge rectifier you wont get 12v out the other end, youll get about 10.6v due to the voltage drops of the diodes. Appart from that, at 800ish ma youd need a very large capacitor to smooth the voltage to something like constant.

    Have a look for a switch mode wall wart, theyre not too expensive and will be able to supply more current.

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  4. SteveyG

    SteveyG Electromodder

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    Almost, but not quite. After the bridge rectifier and capacitor you'll get 12V * 1.414 - (2*0.7) = 15.568V. There'll be a small amount of ripple depending on the capacitor, but it'll still be above 12V.
     
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  5. cpemma

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    I don't think batteries mind being charged with crude DC, providing the average current is in the right range to avoid over-heating. Taking an extreme case, most lead-acid battery chargers are generally just a transformer & rectifier, no smoothing at all. The main value of a capacitor will be to lift the average (RMS) voltage to nearer peak level, as said you need more than 12V to charge a 12V battery.

    Your problem is getting a safe charge current from an unknown PSU. Needs an ammeter in circuit to check what's happening.
     
  6. Moriquendi

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    That will be the peak voltage true but in terms of usable voltage you have to work from the RMS which gives about 10.6 as i said.

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  7. SteveyG

    SteveyG Electromodder

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    If you have the bridge rectifier on it's own, yes, but as soon as you add the smoothing capacitor the usable voltage is just under the peak RMS.
     
  8. Moriquendi

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    peak rms makes no sense, the peak voltage is the highest voltage the wave will ever reach while the rms voltage (Root Mean Square) is a form of average, it is constant for a particular peak value and can only be accuratly applied to a sine wave.. The smoothing capacitor does 'store' the peak voltage reducing the ammount that the output voltage varies (the ripple voltage)

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  9. SteveyG

    SteveyG Electromodder

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    Peak RMS was the wrong expression (wasn't thinking) :duh: . I meant 1.414 * 10.6V
     
  10. Moriquendi

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    Yup, thats the peak voltage.
     

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