AAAAh york college caretakers, they once shouted at my friend for sitting in a bin, apprently it was 'messy' .... he argued it was quite on the contrary. I say york college caretakers, I was there in the glory days before they tore it down and built that big fancy combo building you have now.... n i'm only 21. Tesco's cafe still rules mind.
I much preferred the old site to be honest (yes, I'm in my third year), and we can't eat Tescos' food from the shop in Tescos' Cafe anymore... it didn't used t be so bad but now (as I say) we get told off for leaving crumbs... Oh, and having feet up on/sitting on tables is a disciplinary because of health and safety (considering we can't eat on these tables I don't see how) The new principal sucks (and sorry for slightly off-topic rant)
Service animals are all house-trained so it is very unlikely that they will "defaecate randomly in stores". But you know how sometimes you just get caught and really have to go? s**t happens, as they say. Also to animals. Thing is, it is all about humanity. Blind (or physically disabled) person's dog craps in the store. Now are you: going to get in a huff about it, and expect the blind/physically disabled person to clean it up by themselves; help them clean up the mess because they obviously can't manage it all by themselves, like, being blind/physically disabled and all, but add to their significant embarrassment and public humilation by being a moaning asshole about it; help them clean up the mess because they obviously can't manage it all by themselves, like, being blind/physically disabled and all, and do so graciously because people in a civilised society help those who are less able to help themselves. Answers on a postcard please. Think it over.
Perhaps dogs are more intelligent than we think. Perhaps it was just giving its own performance art critique on Wallmart.
I go for 4. Which he did, then the cleaner moaned having to do something he has probably never had to do at work as they don't allow animals and guide-dogs etc are usually pretty well behaved. This was a minor minor situation and it seems to have been blown out of proportion. Possibly helped by the cleaners reaction.
4. is a sensible option if a non-blind/disabled person happens to be accompanying the blind/disabled person of course. But yes, it seems to be made a bigger deal than it actually is. **** happened; **** got cleaned up. No harm done.
I was just being specific to this case. But yes... it happened, it got cleaned up, nothing bad happened.
Service dog or not, it took a **** in the shop, not quite what most people would like to have to clean up. At the end of the day it happened and it got cleaned up.
At the end of the day, **** happens. It's unavoidable. But how we deal with it makes all the difference.
I can't believe (no yes I can) the ignorance here. First, there are many many different kinds of service dogs and guide dogs are no longer the majority. For example, there are also hearing dogs, medical alert dogs (who alert to diabetes, migraines, seizures, syncope, panic attacks etc...), psychiatric dogs (who mitigate the disability of someone with a disabling mental illness), mobility dogs etc... As a disabled person with a service dog, I find what happened extremely unacceptable. A service dog handler should have had the dog relieve them self (and cleaned up after the dog) prior to entering the store. It is avoidable. The only time I would find it unavoidable would be if the dog suddenly became ill but this does not seem to be the case. It is the responsibility of the handler to clean it up. There are only a very few cases where the handler would not have been able to (such as blind or severely mobility impaired and in those cases, the handler would not have driven themselves so the person with them should have cleaned it up). However, I do not think it would be legal for the store owner to charge the handler to clean it up, but the store owner could ask the handler to remove the dog.
Not every Walmart is the same. I can attest to this first hand cause I work at one. I can honestly say that about 60% of the customer base I see around here (again this could be different per area) are selfish self centered a-holes, to be nice about it. You clearly are not part of that 60%, because I have seen people actually leave huge messes and not tell a soul about them (or even show a concern about what they did, like it didnt happen/exist). I like when people bring their service dogs in, its pretty cool to see a dog be that well trained to not eat the steak its master is looking at.
It shouldn't be a matter of what disabilities are present; it is the handler's responsibility to clean up behind their dog. As the adult present, ultimate responsibility fell to you. The facts as presented are pretty clear. The dog eliminated in the store and you seem to feel you deserve a pat on the back because you partially did the right thing (getting the pile picked up) but feel the need to complain because the store employee both made the comment "That is why we don't allow pets in the store" and didn't take the bag of poop. Sounds like you and your child need to reacquaint themselves with that animal's personal potty signals. Well trained service animals don't just take a squat in a store. Because of people like you, one of the coming ADA changes for the service animal section will address toilet training. You should be thanking your lucky stars that the guy who took the pics hasn't posted them online. Perhaps a little public humiliation a la "Korean dog poop girl" would make you and your offspring wise up to your civic responsibilities. For everyone else, yes, blind people do pick up after their guides. That is part of showing you have the skills necessary to work with a 4-legged partner (the other big one is being able to navigate without assistance). As Lilfarfa pointed out, accidents like this are avoidable. Most service dogs are trained to literally "go" on command (especially when "in vest" or otherwise "dressed for work") and most handlers are very in tune with their animal's potty habits. Likewise, a lot of teams carry emergency clean up kits (with anti-bacteria wipes, paper towels, ziplock bag, ect) in case of an accident. Though generally, most of us would be thinking of an accident as a dog puking, not pottying.
I don't blame you for what happened, and I understand what happened was unavoidable as it is in some cases. But I don't believe you should complain about the employee that he isn't doing his job properly, do you know fully what his job is in the store? Anyone put themselves in a workers shoes, would you be happy, go skipping along to go clean up the mess that shouldn't have happened? I'm sure you would.
Yes, I would. Well, not happily, but I wouldn't complain to the customer. If i had something to complain about, I would that that up with my manager after the incident.
Is anybody else beginning to think this is trolling? A brand new user raising a controversial but dead thread and starting the argument all over again? Moriquendi
The disabilities involved is of no matter. If you can not handle your service dog properly, meaning prevent or completely clean up any messes made, then you need to rethink whether a service dog is right for your situation. A service dog is not for everyone, and you must have enough autonomy to care for the dog properly or have a partner that can. It is not the responsibility of the store to care for or clean up after your dog; it is yours. It is situations like this one that make life harder every day for other service dog teams as it leaves a sour taste in the mouth of those who were involved. We live in an error where are rights are slowly being stripped away. As soon as Obama signs it (if he hasn't already), the only service animal that will be legal is the service dog...no more guide miniature horses, no more primates for the severely mobility impaired.....dog or no service animal. I do not want service dog handlers to loose the rights that we are so very dependent on. It is situations like this that will be quoted as reasons to strip us of these rights. So, you were in wrong in two ways (1) allowing this to happen in the first place (2) not being prepared and cleaning it up completely. The first could have been remedied by not making the second. Service Dogs are just that...dogs. As a handler, I understand that better than most. They are not perfect, and are not robots. They will have bad days and they will make mistakes. But, that's where we, as the handlers, come in. We are with our dogs 24/7 and know (or should) our dogs body language. I have NEVER EVER seen a dog just go without any sign or signal that they need to eliminate. You should have been tuned in to your dog enough to recognize that they needed to go out and then left your merchandise in the store and found the quickest exit to allow for your dog to take care of their business before returning to finish your shopping. I only hope you would recognize that hindsight is 20/20 and that you made a mistake and not repeat it.
Actually, this is not trolling. A link to this thread was posted in another forum dedicated to service dogs. We, as service dog handlers, found it through this forum and have felt the need to respond.
