Bits Help - We've Run out of IP Addresses!

And our parents find computers confusing. And their parents find VCR confusing. And their parents found XY confusing.

It's called progress, live with it.

 

the 360 and PS3 still have at least 3 years left of life. And XBL and PSN support will not die for years after that. XBL for the original xbox was only discontinued like last year.

 

then you must be using routers that have issues with routers that you have used, replace the router with an dif brand problem solved (things like Xbox ps3 DS DSI and so on are allways going to be behind an NAT/router device)

kudos for link thought
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ipv6

 

Not necessarily. NAT was developed because of the limitations of the IPv4 address space. it was the original intention of the people who designed IPv4 protocol that every device would have a public IP address. IPv6 would allow us to do this.

 

but currently that's how it works and it works well 99.9% of the time (just the odd router that implement's NAT incorrectly fix for that is just buy an new router or even better buy one that supports DD-WRT firmware that should support IPV6 but i guess its better if the underling hardware supports it natively) (DIR-615 is less then £10 good spec as well)

 

It would be nice if ISPs would offer up to (say) 10 IPs per account for IPv6 service. That way a user can select weather or not to assign a public IP address to a device. Could even have a setup where some devices have public IPs and others do not.

 

This won't happen, because:
a) IP dresses are not free, someone will need to pay for them, that's usually the consumer, do you want to pay extra for every network-enabled device you have?
b) Not all devices need to have a public IP, original Ethernet designers probably did not think we would have network-enabled light-bulbs.

At the end of day majority of home users don't even need a private IP.

 

IPv4 internet IP addresses are so 'expensive' because availability is low. IPv6 has such a large address space that, by equivalent, a single IPv4 address is worth 7.9x10^28 IPv6 addresses. They are massively cheaper, there is no reason (besides 'good business') not to give people multiple IP addresses.

That much is true, but there is no reason they should not with IPv6.

The original creators did not realize that every house would have more than one computer, which is why IPv6 was created. With IPv6 there is enough address space for every person in the world (currently) to be allocated at least 1,000,000,000 IP addresses each.

Most universities where assigned class B blocks at the beginning of the internet. They where literally given them and paid nothing for them and still do not pay any thing for them. As such it is still common practice at universities to give each computer (including printers and cameras etc.) a public IP address. This is how the internet was originally intended to be setup.

Also, Microsoft operates a free IPv6 tunneling service. That is to say they give every computer it is installed on a public IPv6 address. Admittedly there are running costs associated with this service, but they almost certainly pay nothing for the actual IP addresses. Though, come to think of it, they might have had to pay for them initially. But each address is worth such a small amount of money that you would probably have to use standard form with a large negative exponent to express it efficiently.

 

Forgot about that one, so ye, the number IPv6 addresses is the equivalent to 40% the number of molecules that make up the Earth, or some thing like this.

 

Just thought of this:
If we are to give each device a Private IP and we want to do without a global DHCP server (which would be an interesting feat in itself), that would mean:
Each hotspot would need to have a pool of IP addresses for all theoretical clients.
Each corporate body would need to have a couple times bigger IP pool than it has employees.
Each ISP would need to have some IPs in reserve, not to mention unused IPs of subscribers (lets say 10IP/subscriber).
Each managed switch, router, etc gets a private IP.
And so on.
How long until we end up in the situation we are today? Just because you can't imagine a situation when we use up the resource, doesn't mean that situation is not achievable, we have plenty of examples of this happening in tech world.

 

With regards to IP address assignment: Each ISP will take care of it's customers, just like they do now.

Been able to assign 1,000,000,000 to each person currently in the world (approx ~7,000,000,000) and still have a massive chunk left over isn't enough?

 

Discontinued for financial reasons. Microsoft had no reason to discontinue service until the fans slowly faded away and there was no benefit in providing service.

Add a little incentive and MS/Sony can start making some more muscle moves. Certainly both would love to drop "legacy" support and force more people to buy into the latest generation, this provides an easy way to do that because they can counter any claims of greed with reasons of IPv6 compatibility.

 

Imagine the latency of that....

 

Havn't you heard of subspace communications? With a few relay stations you can have real time conversations over thousands of light years

 

What ever happened to IPv5?

 

It didn't.

 

I don't like those hexidecimals...

I'm not really educated on the subject, so can someone explain to me why they can't just add another 6 numbers to the current IP4 system?
192.111.133.231 --> 192.111.133.231.534.443

Wouldn't that add another 100 quadrillion or so possible IP's? It'll look much nicer too.

 

Umm, well. It's 340 UNDECILLION dude.

Even if we were to give every man, woman, child, baby, and grandmother 100 ip's of their own, that would mean that there would be 3.4x10^36 people that we could give it to. Assuming that the max population that the Earth can sustain will cap out around 15 billion, that means that we would need 2x10^26 planets/colonies, each with a population of ~15 billion people to run out of ip's.

There's only around 500 billion planets in the galaxy. So that means we would need to colonize 4x10^16 galaxies.

There's only around 100 billion galaxies in the universe, meaning we would need to colonize another 400,000 universes... which as far as we know is impossible, unless you're speaking of parallel universes/other dimensions/etc.

So yeah, that's probably not going to happen for at least another 10+++ millennia, if ever. A time length so large that you'd have to be pretty arrogant to say humanity would be continuing to use it that far from now.

 

They increased the size of each number as well as adding on additional numbers. So in order to type a IPv6 address in decimal you would end up typing some thing like 53464:43650:37857:43650:37857:43650:37857:37857.

Since an IP address is just a number, you can just have them completely in decimal and most applications will work. http://3626153261/